turbofever

wait a minute, are people saying a 430 scud drives/handles better than a 458? i asked this specific question at the dealer with two cars that we speak of were for sale and the salesman stated the 458 is far beyond the scud..

really??? i actually prefer how raw the scud looks in comparison? is the suspension geometry/dampening far behind the 458 rival!

RSA_27149

^^^458 is faster, but in a scud, you'll feel faster.
458 is a great DD, while scud is a better weekend car.

richk

Had scud and 458...scud is more raw! 458 is refined...can cruise in auto mode but can really scream when you want. Both are easy to drive fast vs RS.

FLT6SPD

Italian trash any way you look at it, no thanks!

smdepm3

Mooty that's why I haven't let you thrash my scud!!

I have 997.1-3 and scud, love them both for different reasons. The GT3 is so raw and I love it. The scud is a different animal, screaming soundtrack, violent shifts, more composed. I track the GT3, but that's because I've had the old girl since 07, we have history and I feel comfortable on track in that car.
The scud is a awesome machine, however, I don't like the slow factory support with repairs. The car does attract more attention which I don't really like, but I'm past the point in my life where I care if/who/what is looking or thinks. I buy the damn cars to drive them!

spiller

I think I need more friends like this.

I have driven a 430 scud on track (only a short stint)..great experience, very "raw" and "visceral" - words usually associated with a pleasurable driving experience, and it was, but dynamically, they aren't on the same level of thrill compared to piloting a GT car around a race track, not for me anyhow.

augustxke

I live almost in the middle of nowhere, 7 hours from a track. We have a .2 gt3 that we have put 5000 miles on and a 08 scud that we have put 10,000 miles on. Both very different but fun, we will keep both. The gt3 feels it has a safe but the scud has no safe, that is the diiference.

997rs4.0

OP,

I haven't tracked either the scud or 458 Italia. A lot of spirited street miles in both cars. If I would buy one it would be the 458. Feels a step up in every category. The 458 only comes up short when it comes to dialing up the rawness to 11.

993Brendan

Timely thread for me. Got behind a 360 on the way to work today and started thinking about Ferraris again. For me its always been the cost of maintaining them that has scared me away. I'm sure I'll own one at some point in my life but that day isn't anytime soon. I'm pretty wedded to my Porsches.

cavlino

I didn't spend more on my 360 or 430 then my 993, 996 or 997s its only due to the drama/attention around driving and parking the Fiats that I have finally given up on keeping one in my garage.

They are a thrill and very rewarding to experience so don't rule them out due to maint costs.

augustxke

Gt3 had a failed oil pressure sensor and needed to be trucked to the dealership all under CPO. The scud, two ball joints. Regular maintenance for both and price will vary, but the scud maintenance is not that much more.

thxbuff2001

I traded my SCUD for my Spec with 11000 miles on it.

Never broke down. Just yearly oil change and every 2 years of fluid service.

been lucky about my ferraris.

Steve Theodore

458 Speciale ticks every box. The other ones, just don't quite do it for me...but I give special attention to the 360 Challenge Stradale!

hotwired

I've owned a 2011 GT3RS, a 2012 458 and now a 2008 scuderia. I would buy back my RS over another 458 any day, but the scud is by far my favorite out of the three. It's much rawer than the GT3, better looking and better sounding. The RS I never really enjoyed as a street car. The heavy clutch, notchy shifter and lightweight flywheel made it a chore to drive in traffic. On the track it was sublime, superior to any fcar I've driven. But as a weekend driven street car, the overall experience in the scud can't be beat. The 458 feels like a lexus in comparison. I've also driven a speciale and honestly its just a glorified 458 IMO. Both the speciale and the italia are cars that have to be driven very fast (illegally) on public streets to be enjoyed or appreciated. The Stradale is a special car, but the scud gives you 90% of the same experience with the much needed additional power and the amazing superfast F1 gearbox, which quite frankly is more dramatic and faster than any DCT i've driven.

And if this doesn't make your hair stand on end, I don't know what will