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Old 11-24-2013, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JasonAndreas
Yes (I think it was the 964 forum -- but I can't find the thread) and there was almost no difference in recorded temperatures.



There is always the PATENT from 1988...
Interesting the patent only seems to cover using under car paneling to cool various parts of drive train. I figure it was mostly for air cooled noise and the cooling was a second derivative.
Old 11-24-2013, 04:01 AM
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I leave mine off purely because its easier and quicker to get a trolley jack under the engine casing to jack the car up. I think, as others have said, the trays were fitted by Porsche for reducing noise.
Old 11-24-2013, 10:26 AM
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Judging from the scrapes on mine, it is obviously offering some protection, and I consider myself a careful driver over dips and steep driveways... Heater hoses are $150 each, and the flapper box is approx. $100 on Ebay used. Hate to rip all that stuff off in a steep dip incident...
Old 11-24-2013, 01:01 PM
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FWIW, to add to the data of use, mine was off car when I bought it and will remain off.
Old 11-24-2013, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by S98CS
Does the 993 RS have a cover or was it off to save weight
That is the true deciding factor.
All of the 964RS and Turbos and (some of the CupCars) ran them, including at Leman's. Its a safe bet that the 993RS as-delivered by the factory came with them too...

Originally Posted by Cupcar
FWIW, to add to the data of use, mine was off car when I bought it and will remain off.
It was only the 45 964 Cups that Andial got their hands that were delivered without the tray.

Originally Posted by 96PCarrera993mg
Last episode undertray: do a heat gun test on track next Saturday....
I found the more recent thermocoupled 993 test
Old 11-24-2013, 03:06 PM
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I donated mine to Steve Weiner the last time I was up in Portland. He might have mentioned something about using it for testing a "high speed ground effect stabilized stationary air conditioning tower".

I am sure that Rheem is planning a new line of ground effect stabilized AC towers and there will be HUGE market for the old trays.
Old 11-24-2013, 03:16 PM
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interesting,the only way to really tell is to instrument the engine and run it, as well as idle in traffic, and most importantly for me, SHUT OFF the engine and let is sit there and cook, and see how the temperature spike.

I see there are threads with guys reading the temps off the engine with and without the cover, but not sure how they do that since the parts you need to read from are covered with the cover --

Funny, I have not seen covers on the 996's or 997's - why is that? Have not been under a 991 yet...

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Originally Posted by Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems
I've seen two 993 RS cars and one 993 RS/CS. None of them arrived here with the undertray. I've also seen 3 brand new 993 RSR's (back in '96-'97) and none of them came with the tray either. Same for the GT-2 I saw.
As an owner of one, mine still has the cover
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Originally Posted by JasonAndreas
It was only the 45 964 Cups that Andial got their hands that were delivered without the tray.
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Actually, I can ring in here since I bought one of the USA Cup cars new and it was delivered WITH the tray.
Old 11-24-2013, 03:45 PM
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This has come up on other threads, and needs to be said again-Porsche engineers aren't perfect when it comes to looking down the road a number of years as to what may bite them in the ***. So, whether it was noise, aero or whatever, there COULD be long term side effects from having the cover in place. The heat soak Mike mentions above is the first thing that came to my mind, and why mine is safely in the attic.
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Originally Posted by Kika
IIRC, the Ferrari 355 was the first car to incorporate ducting on the underside of the car to create a low pressure point under the rear of the car. Quite ingenious if you ask me, creates the downforce without the drag of a wing. It actually is in the shape of a NACA duct.

I do not think the 993 tray is designed to create the same effect.
Lift always induces drag. There are no free lunches.
Old 11-24-2013, 04:13 PM
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Am I being unfair, or should anyone who starts a new thread on engine trays should be beaten with one?
Old 11-24-2013, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. No
Am I being unfair, or should anyone who starts a new thread on engine trays should be beaten with one?
No, you are very fair. We need to have several trays strategically located around the country for that purpose.
Old 11-24-2013, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by richardew
I've been running with my engine tray on, and I'm starting to worry about that premature valve guide failure. At what mileage do you suppose this will occur?
With 300,000 miles on his engine, what we really need to do is find out what material Richard's valve guides are made from.
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Originally Posted by JasonAndreas

I found the more recent thermocoupled 993 test
^^^Excellent thread.


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