The 991 versus the BMW M2 - My Observations
10-27-2016, 09:03 PM
#46
Actually, the base 991.1 is faster than the M4. Check out this EVO battle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scXXhmknySA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scXXhmknySA
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10-27-2016, 09:57 PM
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10-27-2016, 10:24 PM
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As a former M2 owner I can wholeheartedly say that I'm glad to be back in a 991.
Its simply not the same car. Had mine for 3,000kms and drove it from Ontario Canada to Hershey PA for the swap meet and sold it a week later. Too upright of a seating position, doesn't corner like a 911, and felt like I had to brake earlier than the 911's I was driving with. Never had that same uncomfortable feeling while driving my 911's. It may be a good performance sedan but its not a performer like the 911.
Its simply not the same car. Had mine for 3,000kms and drove it from Ontario Canada to Hershey PA for the swap meet and sold it a week later. Too upright of a seating position, doesn't corner like a 911, and felt like I had to brake earlier than the 911's I was driving with. Never had that same uncomfortable feeling while driving my 911's. It may be a good performance sedan but its not a performer like the 911.
10-27-2016, 11:39 PM
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Neither car can stand up to a 991, other than a traction control launch on dry pavement
10-27-2016, 11:58 PM
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On price alone, how is an M2 (or even an M4) a viable alternative to the 991.2 911 Carrera?
A base 991.2 911 starts at ~90k USD, while the M2 is ~51k USD and an M4 is about $66K.
Even a fully loaded M4 doesn't approach the base price of the 911.
An M2 and a 911 might be complementary cars, but not substitutes.
A base 991.2 911 starts at ~90k USD, while the M2 is ~51k USD and an M4 is about $66K.
Even a fully loaded M4 doesn't approach the base price of the 911.
An M2 and a 911 might be complementary cars, but not substitutes.
10-28-2016, 09:07 AM
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Did you really write the above? BMW have built avery effective car in the M2 - its actually a very good drive and not far off, in terms of performance, from a base 991.2 C2.
Personally I think BMW stepped up to the plate, took on board the feedback in relation to the M3 and M4 and as a consequence produced and excellent "entry" level M car.
Have a test drive its enlightening
Personally I think BMW stepped up to the plate, took on board the feedback in relation to the M3 and M4 and as a consequence produced and excellent "entry" level M car.
Have a test drive its enlightening
10-28-2016, 09:09 AM
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On price alone, how is an M2 (or even an M4) a viable alternative to the 991.2 911 Carrera?
A base 991.2 911 starts at ~90k USD, while the M2 is ~51k USD and an M4 is about $66K.
Even a fully loaded M4 doesn't approach the base price of the 911.
An M2 and a 911 might be complementary cars, but not substitutes.
A base 991.2 911 starts at ~90k USD, while the M2 is ~51k USD and an M4 is about $66K.
Even a fully loaded M4 doesn't approach the base price of the 911.
An M2 and a 911 might be complementary cars, but not substitutes.
10-28-2016, 12:04 PM
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10-28-2016, 02:46 PM
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Your M2 experience seems to have been similar to mine. I drove the vehicle at Thermal, CA at BMW's M track day event and the M2 was perfectly balanced in handling and power but under braked. The brakes on my vehicle were warped were shuddering under any amount of braking.
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10-28-2016, 05:53 PM
#57
I suppose if your only purpose in buying a car was to be the fastest guy from point A to point B, there might be something to the "real bargain" notion. But then you'd have to also conclude the Focus RS, a Mustang and a Corvette are "real bargains." Point is, when you limit your interest in a car to just a couple of performance qualities, there are going to be lots of better bargains than a Porsche. Nothing new.
The M2 was built as a cheap car. An entry level M car. It was designed and de tuned so that it would not violate any M4 territory. And that starts with an off the shelf engine and ends with a **** poor rear view mirror. Add to that almost no options and you end up with a car which is inexpensive to build so that it can be sold at a low price.
Porsche doesn't build any 911 cars in that way. M2 / Porsche price comparisons are apples and oranges.
10-28-2016, 10:26 PM
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I sat in my first M2 today and seating position felt odd like I was twisted with my hands on the wheels. There were a few nice deviated stitching touches but overall the interior has a very poor / cheap feel throughout. This statement is coming not in comparison to my 991.1, but to my prior 2015 Audi S3 prestige exclusive edition interior which made the M2 feel like a chevrolet cavelier. They are not competitive at all within their price range for interior quality.
I haven't driven one and can't make any comments there, but I'm just not a fan of the M2 at all.
I haven't driven one and can't make any comments there, but I'm just not a fan of the M2 at all.
10-29-2016, 12:00 AM
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10-29-2016, 12:43 AM
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I drove m4 the last couple of weeks. It's ok. Only have little seat time in m2. It's a good compromise. But, not light enough, not nimble enough IMO.
BMW has completely lost it. If you want a $60k dollar DD that makes your hair stand up. Gt350! Picked mine up a couple of days ago. Now, that's an engine. Sure, it's heavy, brakes are good, steering is ok, clutch feel is bad. But, that engine makes up for everything.
BMW has completely lost it. If you want a $60k dollar DD that makes your hair stand up. Gt350! Picked mine up a couple of days ago. Now, that's an engine. Sure, it's heavy, brakes are good, steering is ok, clutch feel is bad. But, that engine makes up for everything.