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Old 03-21-2017, 02:12 AM   #8821
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My opinion in a nutshell:

Because the PDK transmission is 'lazy' when not in sport-plus mode, and you only get sport-plus mode with Sport Chrono option. Further, on the 991, unlike the 997, the Sport Chrono software can not be added after purchase.

Sport Chrono also gives you a dash timer (completely useless), dynamic engine mounts (nice, but most drivers wouldn't miss it), and throttle remapping (also nice, but there are other work-arounds). None of the additional SC features are complete deal breakers in my opinion.

On a manual, Sport Chrono is a bit less important because you don't have the lazy pdk shift program to worry about. SC Sport-Plus does give you rev-matching downshifting (except on early 2012.5 cars), and also gives you the dynamic mounts, etc., but that is why some don't care as much if there is SC on a manual car.

However, if someone the kind of owner that will almost never push the Sport-Plus button anyway, buying a car without Sport Chrono might not be deal breaker for them.
PDK might be lazy in normal mode but perks up in Sport. To "daily drive" in Sports+ in auto mode is a non-starter for me and probably others. Any style of driving I've tried makes no difference - the engine holds each gear to almost redline and downshifts at 3500-4000 rpm. Now Sports+ in manual mode is another story. Pure fun. Although you might want to turn off the stiffer PASM setting if you're not on track or driving in a spirited fashion. I've used Sport+ auto on driving skills days and on small auto cross and it is really amazing. My 3 cents worth.
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:57 AM   #8822
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:59 AM   #8823
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We purchased our first Porsche, a 981BS and our first 911 C2s cab at Rancho Mirage, and our current C4s cab (all CPO) - all in California and all at below market prices. I was just judicious about shopping national and knowing prices. The C4s cab with MSRP + prepaid service + tint and escort depreciated about $50k in 14 months and the car had only 4700 miles. Thank you Mr Payne!

So STG if one does one's homework as constantly recommended on HFS one can find CA deals. And there is a huge inventory to study.

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^^^^ Yes, once in a while you can find GOLD in CA!!
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Old 03-21-2017, 03:13 AM   #8824
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Three owners wouldn't bother me...the wrap might because I would want to know the condition of the paint underneath.
Exactly. I would personally be extremely wary of purchasing a wrapped car...

Also, every 'pro' who wraps cars claims that they would never let the knife touch the paint when trimming out a car. Yet I've seen many pro-wraps that after removal, sure enough have some cut lines in the clearcoat. You will never know until it is removed.
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Old 03-21-2017, 07:52 AM   #8825
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Here's an interesting car with high miles but CPO so good if it is just a weekend toy.
4S Cab with manual trans, full leather, SC, etc. May be flexible on price since it is a Florida dealership and we are getting to the warm weather.

http://www.porschewestbroward.com/de...-16038553.html
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:57 AM   #8826
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PDK might be lazy in normal mode but perks up in Sport. To "daily drive" in Sports+ in auto mode is a non-starter for me and probably others. Any style of driving I've tried makes no difference - the engine holds each gear to almost redline and downshifts at 3500-4000 rpm. Now Sports+ in manual mode is another story. Pure fun. Although you might want to turn off the stiffer PASM setting if you're not on track or driving in a spirited fashion. I've used Sport+ auto on driving skills days and on small auto cross and it is really amazing. My 3 cents worth.
Well, to derail from the bickering...

I only always drive automatics in manual mode, even PDK cars, unless I do autocross. I am really not concerned about the shift point change from s+. If on the other hand the throttle response is ruined by putting most of it in the first millimeters of pedal movement, that's not good.

The PASM setting. Sport is not "stiffer". There is a complex, and almost completely undocumented, set of things happening when in sport mode. Namely individual wheel response gets softer, not harder, because that increase grip over small bumps (both curves and traction). Body roll is controlled in a way that will usually make people perceive sport as harder, though. Comfort mode is substantially harder when hitting a bump, so that the body doesn't start moving, which would be perceived as uncomfortable because it also has to go back later. In sport mode the body is allowed to follow the surface more closely, again the intent is to hug it better to be in a better position to have pressure on the wheels so that the tires have friction. To the user that is perceived as hard, repeated body movement.

Summary is that I'm not comfortable with so much undocumented software doing random things to my wheels. And even if I reverse engineer what is happening in more detail - then I am not given nearly enough control to pick the parts I want or do not want.

Maybe I need a base 991.1...
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Here's an interesting car with high miles but CPO so good if it is just a weekend toy.
4S Cab with manual trans, full leather, SC, etc. May be flexible on price since it is a Florida dealership and we are getting to the warm weather.

http://www.porschewestbroward.com/de...-16038553.html
I had previously rated that as too expensive and the pictures look to me like the beige on the seats is discolored.

It ticks a lot of boxes up to PDCC, though.





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I had previously rated that as too expensive and the pictures look to me like the beige on the seats is discolored.

It ticks a lot of boxes up to pdcc, though.





45K miles and $95K Really, for 45K miles. I could see if it had 5K. Should be an $80K car.

Shocked at some of these asking prices. These are the ones when doing searches I shake my head at and say "next".
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Exactly. I would personally be extremely wary of purchasing a wrapped car...

Also, every 'pro' who wraps cars claims that they would never let the knife touch the paint when trimming out a car. Yet I've seen many pro-wraps that after removal, sure enough have some cut lines in the clearcoat. You will never know until it is removed.
And there is also no guarantee that taking the wrap off doesn't do damage on its own.

There are strict lifetime limits on the vinyl, after which the glue does random things. You can easily take off a chunk of clear coat in some tight corner. Especially if the wrap had extensive exposure to extreme temperatures.
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^^^^ Yes, once in a while you can find GOLD in CA!!
The funny thing is that most of the cars I like (verts, Spyders, Boxster GTS) are either in CA or near CA (NV, AZ).

I wanted to take a road trip getting one of them back to Bahston, but the wife says for logistical reasons it would be easier to move to San Diego instead
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The funny thing is that most of the cars I like (verts, Spyders, Boxster GTS) are either in CA or near CA (NV, AZ).

I wanted to take a road trip getting one of them back to Bahston, but the wife says for logistical reasons it would be easier to move to San Diego instead

Makes sense. Huge Porsche markets. CA being # 1. Along with that, higher $$$'s. I'll let the CA guys comment. Most CA guys buy out of state here and "import" them
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Here is an Ebay listing from a private party. Person seems a little clumsy selling it but looks like a good car:

$64500 @ 20700 miles, down from $107080 msrp

Attractions include: natural leather, manual, 14-ways with premium package plus (vented seats etc) and satin platinum CS wheels. NO PASM

Disattractions: no performance options of any kind (no PSE, SC, S model, plus seats). Power Steering Plus. I think this car does not have any subwoofer audio, not even Bose. No warranty. Ugly steering wheel

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Porsche...lYs4lI&vxp=mtr





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Old 03-21-2017, 11:08 AM   #8833
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Makes sense. Huge Porsche markets. CA being # 1. Along with that, higher $$$'s. I'll let the CA guys comment. Most CA guys buy out of state here and "import" them
We are the lurkers who wait for STG's approval and ship the money right away

Kidding aside, we all know what is the value point of a preowned CPO car. It is just there are more people with the means to buy. I count 7 dealers within a 50 miles radius
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Old 03-21-2017, 11:32 AM   #8834
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Makes sense. Huge Porsche markets. CA being # 1. Along with that, higher $$$'s. I'll let the CA guys comment. Most CA guys buy out of state here and "import" them

I am in SoCal and purchased from east coast. Mostly because the car came up here with a nice price and it checked all the boxes for me so I jumped on it.
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We could talk about overpriced cars all day. They can't even put on a front bumper spoiler lip on.

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What we find here are cars that have a balance of value, great builds, and well taken car of. At the end of he day, the buyer has the last say. Our track record here with closed deals by HFS followers has been pretty darn good. It's all in the history here and well documented. Also in the HFS ALUMNI thread.

http://rennlist.com/forums/991/96711...-car-buys.html

Those that "get it", do their homework here, are patient, and eventually find their cars whether finding it here or on their own. It's a simple formula and one that only requires ones time investment. Like I've said, there's no tuition here and and education is free. MANY guys here offer their FREE unselfish pro bono help here to help fellow Rennlisters. Enough said ...
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