Vibration on the track
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Vibration on the track
I have a 2015 GT3. Stock wheels, pirelli P zero trofeo R, -2 camber setting all 4. Wheels balance 2 times. Giro discs, stock pads, with vibration that progressively worsens 128 to 150mph on. Any thoughts.
Desperate.
Desperate.
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That's easy - knock your wheel balancing weights off your rims.
If you are seriously tracking your GT3 you will find the tyres (sorry, tires) will move on the rims under extreme braking (and hard launches).
Still don't believe me - get a paint pen and mark the rim and tyre at the same place and check it after a hard session with the tyres up to temperature. You will be surprised how far they can slide on the rims.
When you have an already balanced rim move on the tire, the result can be horrible vibrations at high speed.
I've tried putting the tyres on with no "goop" and a few other products, but they still move. Such is the grip of these new tyres!
So, save the money and don't bother wheel balancing and you'll cure the vibrations.
I haven't balanced race rims for years
If you are seriously tracking your GT3 you will find the tyres (sorry, tires) will move on the rims under extreme braking (and hard launches).
Still don't believe me - get a paint pen and mark the rim and tyre at the same place and check it after a hard session with the tyres up to temperature. You will be surprised how far they can slide on the rims.
When you have an already balanced rim move on the tire, the result can be horrible vibrations at high speed.
I've tried putting the tyres on with no "goop" and a few other products, but they still move. Such is the grip of these new tyres!
So, save the money and don't bother wheel balancing and you'll cure the vibrations.
I haven't balanced race rims for years
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Interesting observation Matt. I didnt realize this to be the case, though I have no vibration to speak of I will experiment with a marker on the rims on my next track day :-)
P.S. Off topic - but what are your plans for the next Targa? Still running 991 GT3?
P.S. Off topic - but what are your plans for the next Targa? Still running 991 GT3?
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Rumble strips? ;-)
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Interesting observation Matt. I didnt realize this to be the case, though I have no vibration to speak of I will experiment with a marker on the rims on my next track day :-)
They move only when you have good tyre temp and braking mega hard from very high speed (such as on tracks like Phillip Island and Eastern Creek) - but they definitely move! We have tried dry fitting the tyres and I can still get them to move. Got to love the grip of the new generation tyres.
P.S. Off topic - but what are your plans for the next Targa? Still running 991 GT3?
They move only when you have good tyre temp and braking mega hard from very high speed (such as on tracks like Phillip Island and Eastern Creek) - but they definitely move! We have tried dry fitting the tyres and I can still get them to move. Got to love the grip of the new generation tyres.
P.S. Off topic - but what are your plans for the next Targa? Still running 991 GT3?
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Interesting observation Matt. I didnt realize this to be the case, though I have no vibration to speak of I will experiment with a marker on the rims on my next track day :-)]
They move only when you have good tyre temp and braking mega hard from very high speed (such as on tracks like Phillip Island and Eastern Creek) - but they definitely move! We have tried dry fitting the tyres and I can still get them to move. Got to love the grip of the new generation tyres.
[P.S. Off topic - but what are your plans for the next Targa? Still running 991 GT3?
They move only when you have good tyre temp and braking mega hard from very high speed (such as on tracks like Phillip Island and Eastern Creek) - but they definitely move! We have tried dry fitting the tyres and I can still get them to move. Got to love the grip of the new generation tyres.
[P.S. Off topic - but what are your plans for the next Targa? Still running 991 GT3?
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I wouldn't remove the weights altogether though. Ever notice the weight placement is usually on the opposite side of your TPMS sensor? The TPMS sensor plays a larger roll in upsetting the balance of the wheel than the rotation of the tire (which is relatively uniform in its construction). My tires rotate on the wheels throughout the day with no noticeable impact on vibration. Removing the weights may not have the effect you are looking for if you have the TPMS sensors.
Perhaps it is something else.
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I wouldn't remove the weights altogether though. Ever notice the weight placement is usually on the opposite side of your TPMS sensor? The TPMS sensor plays a larger roll in upsetting the balance of the wheel than the rotation of the tire (which is relatively uniform in its construction). My tires rotate on the wheels throughout the day with no noticeable impact on vibration. Removing the weights may not have the effect you are looking for if you have the TPMS sensors.
Perhaps it is something else.[/QUOTE]
So, when your TPMS compensating weight has eventually moved around 180 degrees to the same spot as the valve stem - isn't that twice as bad as no wheel weight at all?
I'll stick with no wheel weights.
I wouldn't remove the weights altogether though. Ever notice the weight placement is usually on the opposite side of your TPMS sensor? The TPMS sensor plays a larger roll in upsetting the balance of the wheel than the rotation of the tire (which is relatively uniform in its construction). My tires rotate on the wheels throughout the day with no noticeable impact on vibration. Removing the weights may not have the effect you are looking for if you have the TPMS sensors.
Perhaps it is something else.[/QUOTE]
So, when your TPMS compensating weight has eventually moved around 180 degrees to the same spot as the valve stem - isn't that twice as bad as no wheel weight at all?
I'll stick with no wheel weights.