Typical cost to bring typical car up to our standard
01-24-2016, 10:49 PM
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Curt,
As an engineer, over many years I have had to deal with people [idiots?] who could not see the problem yet alone the solutions I was talking about but strangely enough the smarter ones of that sub set usually came back a few years later to tell me I was right after all!
The chestnut was a chap who recommended to management that they should ignore the service intervals on gas turbine running hours and do something DF stupid like extend the interval by 100%. They did, he got a major promotion for the money saved despite warnings from folks like myself, and would you believe it, when the interval reached roughly 150% of recommended the turbines started failing spectacularly. Half life is an alien concept to most it seems.
As an engineer, over many years I have had to deal with people [idiots?] who could not see the problem yet alone the solutions I was talking about but strangely enough the smarter ones of that sub set usually came back a few years later to tell me I was right after all!
The chestnut was a chap who recommended to management that they should ignore the service intervals on gas turbine running hours and do something DF stupid like extend the interval by 100%. They did, he got a major promotion for the money saved despite warnings from folks like myself, and would you believe it, when the interval reached roughly 150% of recommended the turbines started failing spectacularly. Half life is an alien concept to most it seems.
Fred--
I'm in the process of separating from a client who is looking at almost exactly that scenario. These are stationary 'frame' F- and G-sized engines, and some yahoo started looking at inspection/maintenace costs on those engines, and arbitrarily decided to extend the periods a year. For every engine in their fleet. One of my projects is delayed 7 weeks while they repair some engine damage. Coincidence? Curt, if there's comfort it's a S-W 'G' machine. Still no word from the home office if they are revisiting their risk. I'm finishing existing projects and pulling my agreement.
01-25-2016, 04:02 AM
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Fred--
I'm in the process of separating from a client who is looking at almost exactly that scenario. These are stationary 'frame' F- and G-sized engines, and some yahoo started looking at inspection/maintenace costs on those engines, and arbitrarily decided to extend the periods a year. For every engine in their fleet. One of my projects is delayed 7 weeks while they repair some engine damage. Coincidence? Curt, if there's comfort it's a S-W 'G' machine. Still no word from the home office if they are revisiting their risk. I'm finishing existing projects and pulling my agreement.
I'm in the process of separating from a client who is looking at almost exactly that scenario. These are stationary 'frame' F- and G-sized engines, and some yahoo started looking at inspection/maintenace costs on those engines, and arbitrarily decided to extend the periods a year. For every engine in their fleet. One of my projects is delayed 7 weeks while they repair some engine damage. Coincidence? Curt, if there's comfort it's a S-W 'G' machine. Still no word from the home office if they are revisiting their risk. I'm finishing existing projects and pulling my agreement.
Now that is ironic! Just goes to show that stupidity knows no international borders.
I regularly see similar stupidity when it comes to setting project schedules. The heroes always think they can do better than established norms suggest, they set impossible targets and then we hear the mantra "Projects do not deliver on time". It is like driving a journey of say 120 miles, if you want to get there in two hours you have to drive at an average speed of 60 miles an hour but if you actually drive at 60 mph statistics tell us you will never get there on time but at 70 mph you might.
A simple concept but alien to most or so it seems.
I never knowingly skimp on maintenance, but with age some things are going to fail irrespective of mileage. That being said it never ceases to amaze me as to how many components carry on working 25 plus years after being placed in these cars. I reckon Porsche did quite a job on the 928 other than the flex place clamp on later S4/GTS automatics that would have been just fine had they put a few drop of Loctite 290 on the splines of the shaft. How many owners have lost their expensive engines because of this [blatant?] denial?
Rgds
Fred
01-25-2016, 01:16 PM
#64
I mirror most of the posters here.
My car sat for 10 years in a barn in Atlanta. Interior and paint in very good shape. Was told it "needed nothing" and was "perfect". Bought it for $10k (way overpaid).
I've put in $13k doing the usual stuff (TB, MM, intake refresh, OPG, entire fuel system/lines, brakes, steering rack, tires, wheels). Shocks and tie rods are probably next.
Any 928 is $25k. Buy it cheap and drop that much into it, or buy it with all this already done for that price. My wife still thinks I'm nuts for getting "that car". But loves to go out on for a spin on the weekend in "that car"! Its my DD now (weather permitting), and its very reliable.
My car sat for 10 years in a barn in Atlanta. Interior and paint in very good shape. Was told it "needed nothing" and was "perfect". Bought it for $10k (way overpaid).
I've put in $13k doing the usual stuff (TB, MM, intake refresh, OPG, entire fuel system/lines, brakes, steering rack, tires, wheels). Shocks and tie rods are probably next.
Any 928 is $25k. Buy it cheap and drop that much into it, or buy it with all this already done for that price. My wife still thinks I'm nuts for getting "that car". But loves to go out on for a spin on the weekend in "that car"! Its my DD now (weather permitting), and its very reliable.
01-25-2016, 02:32 PM
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I mirror most of the posters here.
My car sat for 10 years in a barn in Atlanta. Interior and paint in very good shape. Was told it "needed nothing" and was "perfect". Bought it for $10k (way overpaid).
I've put in $13k doing the usual stuff (TB, MM, intake refresh, OPG, entire fuel system/lines, brakes, steering rack, tires, wheels). Shocks and tie rods are probably next.
Any 928 is $25k. Buy it cheap and drop that much into it, or buy it with all this already done for that price. My wife still thinks I'm nuts for getting "that car". But loves to go out on for a spin on the weekend in "that car"! Its my DD now (weather permitting), and its very reliable.
My car sat for 10 years in a barn in Atlanta. Interior and paint in very good shape. Was told it "needed nothing" and was "perfect". Bought it for $10k (way overpaid).
I've put in $13k doing the usual stuff (TB, MM, intake refresh, OPG, entire fuel system/lines, brakes, steering rack, tires, wheels). Shocks and tie rods are probably next.
Any 928 is $25k. Buy it cheap and drop that much into it, or buy it with all this already done for that price. My wife still thinks I'm nuts for getting "that car". But loves to go out on for a spin on the weekend in "that car"! Its my DD now (weather permitting), and its very reliable.
Rgds
Fred
01-25-2016, 09:41 PM
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Now with my paint job I am showing receipts for maintenance and upkeep at $48,000 over the life of the car. (There's $6000 in there for the supercharger).
I am planning on the interior next so that will hit around $8,000. Still a great car for the money over the life. 2016-1990 is basically 312 months. 56,000/312= about $180/month. Great deal.
I am planning on the interior next so that will hit around $8,000. Still a great car for the money over the life. 2016-1990 is basically 312 months. 56,000/312= about $180/month. Great deal.
01-29-2016, 11:38 PM
#67
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Cost is relative to labor and opinion. Do you replace the tensioner or rebuild it to work properly?, Buy new wheels or keep the oldies. (Judging from all the pictures I've seen, replacing the wheels was an absolute requirement). Replace or rework the CV Axles? Many will say they had to do a 'Top End Refresh', but for the most part it is not necessary, but is preventative for long term survival. Its like the fuel lines. They didn't "require" replacing, they were just fine, but I want to have the car a long time.
About $3,000.
About $3,000.
01-30-2016, 12:19 AM
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My "wheel investment" was opportunistic. I needed new tires, and found the new takeoff wheels with new tires on them for less than the cost of new tires alone. So do I get to put a 'credit' in the spending column, or just put the actual dollars spent?
Do I get to credit myself for figuring out how to align the wheels, or do I just put the total cost of the tires ruined by the highly-rated commercial alignment place?
With some creative bookkeeping, I could show a profit on this car and still own it!
Do I get to credit myself for figuring out how to align the wheels, or do I just put the total cost of the tires ruined by the highly-rated commercial alignment place?
With some creative bookkeeping, I could show a profit on this car and still own it!
01-30-2016, 12:59 AM
#69
The most expensive acronym in the world:
WYAIT
(and also the most fun)
WYAIT
(and also the most fun)
01-30-2016, 02:56 AM
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Now with my paint job I am showing receipts for maintenance and upkeep at $48,000 over the life of the car. (There's $6000 in there for the supercharger).
I am planning on the interior next so that will hit around $8,000. Still a great car for the money over the life. 2016-1990 is basically 312 months. 56,000/312= about $180/month. Great deal.
I am planning on the interior next so that will hit around $8,000. Still a great car for the money over the life. 2016-1990 is basically 312 months. 56,000/312= about $180/month. Great deal.
T
07-20-2016, 11:36 PM
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That's an interesting observation. I'm prompted to over-think it, as is my habit:
As we get older, we drive with what younger folks see as excessive caution. Slower reaction times may play a role, we may think we have more to lose, and there may be other factors (e.g., a spouse in the passenger seat). But the main factor is that we've seen more ways to get in a crash. We may slow down generally, or just in particular situations when we recognize a specific risk that younger drivers don't see.
I imagine the same phenomenon occurs with the combination of owning a 928 and reading this forum: the more you do it, the more potential trouble you see and wish to avoid.
Risk analysis, though, is based on dividing occurrences by the number of opportunities. We see only the occurrences here, or those we experience ourselves. Our judgment naturally becomes skewed towards over-caution, and we may spend more money on preventive maintenance than a proper risk analysis would suggest is appropriate.
The "better safe than sorry" principle takes over, which is an expensive substitute for data and engineering judgment. On the other hand, we've already committed to a degree of foolishness by purchasing our cars; we should be left to enjoy our indulgence without interference.
Nevertheless, an interesting thread would ask "What do we do to our cars out of fear rather than logic?" I don't want to start that fire, myself. (Hmm ... dare I ask if fuel lines are a good example of "over treatment"?
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As we get older, we drive with what younger folks see as excessive caution. Slower reaction times may play a role, we may think we have more to lose, and there may be other factors (e.g., a spouse in the passenger seat). But the main factor is that we've seen more ways to get in a crash. We may slow down generally, or just in particular situations when we recognize a specific risk that younger drivers don't see.
I imagine the same phenomenon occurs with the combination of owning a 928 and reading this forum: the more you do it, the more potential trouble you see and wish to avoid.
Risk analysis, though, is based on dividing occurrences by the number of opportunities. We see only the occurrences here, or those we experience ourselves. Our judgment naturally becomes skewed towards over-caution, and we may spend more money on preventive maintenance than a proper risk analysis would suggest is appropriate.
The "better safe than sorry" principle takes over, which is an expensive substitute for data and engineering judgment. On the other hand, we've already committed to a degree of foolishness by purchasing our cars; we should be left to enjoy our indulgence without interference.
Nevertheless, an interesting thread would ask "What do we do to our cars out of fear rather than logic?" I don't want to start that fire, myself. (Hmm ... dare I ask if fuel lines are a good example of "over treatment"?
)
07-21-2016, 04:58 AM
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Here's the actual words from the sales ad when I bought my car,
"Porsche for sale 928 good condition inside and out , drives great"
So for a "good" car like that I spent $13500 in parts plus $6500 in shipping/tax since 2014.
Most expensive was having the seats re-upholstered and get the A/C back to original.
Car will need new paint in the future.
But still love the car.
"Porsche for sale 928 good condition inside and out , drives great"
So for a "good" car like that I spent $13500 in parts plus $6500 in shipping/tax since 2014.
Most expensive was having the seats re-upholstered and get the A/C back to original.
Car will need new paint in the future.
But still love the car.
07-22-2016, 10:14 PM
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my bills would make you all cry, but I have worked to get mine above the "Standard" and I don't even have paint. and the motor is on the floor again after my little fire mishap.
