993S wheel locks with no key - help
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993S wheel locks with no key - help
So I am so excited about picking up my new (to me) 993S, I did not notice the wheels had wheel locks on them.
This past Saturday, I role out the winter wheels (I just bought) and set the car to be jacked up. As I am breaking the seal of the lugs on the first tire, I get to the last lug nut and it was then I noticed the wheel locks. After searching the entire car, I called the "BMW" dealership I bought her from and they did not seem like they were going to be much help.
What are my options and what are the risks...Do Porsche dealerships have a master key or something or am I going to have to have them drilled? Has anyone had this done? Did it damage the wheels?
Thanks for your help,
Goobu
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This past Saturday, I role out the winter wheels (I just bought) and set the car to be jacked up. As I am breaking the seal of the lugs on the first tire, I get to the last lug nut and it was then I noticed the wheel locks. After searching the entire car, I called the "BMW" dealership I bought her from and they did not seem like they were going to be much help.
What are my options and what are the risks...Do Porsche dealerships have a master key or something or am I going to have to have them drilled? Has anyone had this done? Did it damage the wheels?
Thanks for your help,
Goobu
goobu@yahoo.com
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Dear Goobu,
Yes Porsche have access to the masters. The key code should be in the back of your service manual. A small card with this data on it.
The only other way to get the wheel locks off is to break the lock. This is not the recommended method of course.
I would visit your local Porsche dealer and ask for some help before getting too heavy,
Ciao,
Adrian
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PS: Only caveat to this. Are they Porsche originals or aftermarket replacements. If they are not original then you have another problem. Maybe a locksmith can help you.
Yes Porsche have access to the masters. The key code should be in the back of your service manual. A small card with this data on it.
The only other way to get the wheel locks off is to break the lock. This is not the recommended method of course.
I would visit your local Porsche dealer and ask for some help before getting too heavy,
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4
PS: Only caveat to this. Are they Porsche originals or aftermarket replacements. If they are not original then you have another problem. Maybe a locksmith can help you.
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Me too!
Slow leak finally, forced me to a major tire outfit ... then another... and another...
Bottom line: citing liability issues ALL REFUSED to remove the little buggers.
Wandered thru a Checker auto parts store for my F-150 - honest-. Found some chrome closed cap lugs for Porche's - also came with the large spacer /flat washers to prevent bottoming -.
Cruised back to work on a Sunday, cranked up Ye Olde industrial air compressor, fitted a 7/8" or was it a 3/4" heavy impact socket to the 1/2" drive impact wrench and off they came - no problem -. Horror of horrors, though. The left front lock - this is a true story, still have the wheel - was drilled. The Idiot probably heard that you could drill out the lock but instead drilled six(6) 1/8" holes AROUND the nut all the way thru the wheel. Oh, JOY!!! From the looks of two of the wheels it would also appear that the same IDIOT tried a socket and breaker bar and either the bar or socket broke gouging the RARE Weissach gold anodized wheels in the process.
Wishing you good luck and access to the compressor and commercial socket.
HTH/LOL
Keep em' rolling
John S. 82' Weissach 929, Auto., Pattycakes
Slow leak finally, forced me to a major tire outfit ... then another... and another...
Bottom line: citing liability issues ALL REFUSED to remove the little buggers.
Wandered thru a Checker auto parts store for my F-150 - honest-. Found some chrome closed cap lugs for Porche's - also came with the large spacer /flat washers to prevent bottoming -.
Cruised back to work on a Sunday, cranked up Ye Olde industrial air compressor, fitted a 7/8" or was it a 3/4" heavy impact socket to the 1/2" drive impact wrench and off they came - no problem -. Horror of horrors, though. The left front lock - this is a true story, still have the wheel - was drilled. The Idiot probably heard that you could drill out the lock but instead drilled six(6) 1/8" holes AROUND the nut all the way thru the wheel. Oh, JOY!!! From the looks of two of the wheels it would also appear that the same IDIOT tried a socket and breaker bar and either the bar or socket broke gouging the RARE Weissach gold anodized wheels in the process.
Wishing you good luck and access to the compressor and commercial socket.
HTH/LOL
Keep em' rolling
John S. 82' Weissach 929, Auto., Pattycakes
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Hello
Just a short note:
With the 993 Porsche adoptet to new wheel lock system. The new locks have not the cap with the key to remove and a 19 mm nut under them. They have a special formed nut and you need the keyed tool to release them.
The major benefit was those locks have the similar wight to a normal nut and they could be produced cheaper. ( The 993 was optimized in that way ). Also the DOM locks from previous years where made in 3 slightly different designs.Two from them are easy to remove:
Take a old screwdriver and sharp the blade then ram it in the keyway ( slightly hammertap ) and turnt the lock.
You also can take a little chissel and hammer the keylock inside even a pin puncher will do the trick.
As said there is one version who isn´t willing to give up that way. Those need to be pulled with a keylockpuller or drilled out. Those versions look slight different so if you had been there several times...
For the 993 on locks you have to make a own tool. I think Porsche has a special removal tool and then specialists like Hazet, Stahlwille, Matra or Walter may produce them ( check Baum Tools )
Now a other thing maybe happend to John´s PO is that people like to use power drives and overtorque the nuts. They are aluminium and will start to "flow". Comperable to melt on the stud. If you try to remove them they mostly break on the shank and the front part, spheric shaped, of the nut will still sit on the place and no way to move that out.
Porsche mechanics know the problem and have a special tool with will mill out the portion around the stud. But not everyone has that "bit" expensive ( plus you need a low speed hi torque drill ) so they go to the: "We drill some holes and then try ist somehow methode"
Grüsse
Just a short note:
With the 993 Porsche adoptet to new wheel lock system. The new locks have not the cap with the key to remove and a 19 mm nut under them. They have a special formed nut and you need the keyed tool to release them.
The major benefit was those locks have the similar wight to a normal nut and they could be produced cheaper. ( The 993 was optimized in that way ). Also the DOM locks from previous years where made in 3 slightly different designs.Two from them are easy to remove:
Take a old screwdriver and sharp the blade then ram it in the keyway ( slightly hammertap ) and turnt the lock.
You also can take a little chissel and hammer the keylock inside even a pin puncher will do the trick.
As said there is one version who isn´t willing to give up that way. Those need to be pulled with a keylockpuller or drilled out. Those versions look slight different so if you had been there several times...
For the 993 on locks you have to make a own tool. I think Porsche has a special removal tool and then specialists like Hazet, Stahlwille, Matra or Walter may produce them ( check Baum Tools )
Now a other thing maybe happend to John´s PO is that people like to use power drives and overtorque the nuts. They are aluminium and will start to "flow". Comperable to melt on the stud. If you try to remove them they mostly break on the shank and the front part, spheric shaped, of the nut will still sit on the place and no way to move that out.
Porsche mechanics know the problem and have a special tool with will mill out the portion around the stud. But not everyone has that "bit" expensive ( plus you need a low speed hi torque drill ) so they go to the: "We drill some holes and then try ist somehow methode"
Grüsse
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If the car is a 993 with factory wheel locks go to the dealer and have themremove the wheel locks. If I remember correctly there are 21 different "keys" for this series car. We are an independent shop and run into this often with customers who've just bought cars, not just Porsches either, BMW, Audi, VW, etc. The dealer would and should charge for this service. I would then send the bill to the dealer that sold you the car. They either lost it or even worse, never had it in the first place! If they didn't have it, how did they pull off the wheels to "check over" the car before they sold it to you? I'm sure that that they told you that the car was checked out? Not to be a Monday morning QB, but a proper Pre Purchase Inspection would have alerted you to this. Just a note to remind anyone who is in the process of buying a car to remember to get this done. This is a safety issue and you are within your rights to put up a fuss about it. What if you were on the side of the road with a flat and needed to change the tire? What then? By the way is the air compressor for the spare in the car? These are famous for "missing" from cars that came from the auction. My aim is not to scare, only to inform. I'm a car dealer, so I've seen some of this before. I myself made the mistake of forgetting to check for a wheel lock key one time in a car that had just been traded in. Took a test drive with the customer, flat tire... in light rain... had to limpo car back to dealership. Ended up that I didn't sell a car (didn't deserve to.. how could I claim "great service" at that point?), and I ruined a tire and wheel that would have been repaired. JOE