Battery Life and Replacement Cost?
08-12-2024, 09:19 PM
#16
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WA and OR are probably equivalent to CA in terms of charging, but go east, different story. Also, as I posted elsewhere, all EVs do more environmental damage off the assembly line that ICEs. Whether EVs make sense, i.e how long it will take to be environmentally ahead, is a function of the size of the EV (bigger takes longer to break even--up to forever for really big) and how clean the electricity is. The best state for electricity that I have found is my home state of WA, but CA and OR are also great. A state I would bet you will not guess: South Dakota (lots of wind farms). WV is all coal. It would not make sense to own an EV there (probably also get you shot 
).
As to the Taycan, encouraged by this group, I took a look at one at a dealer while waiting for my Panamera. A salesman helped out. One reservation is that the Taycan is smaller than the Panamera and is not a (semi) hatchback like the Panamera. It seemed a bit less practical to me on first glance, the "trunk" set up seemed clunky. I also asked about the Panamera hybrid. I was told it would not perform as well as my turbo. All in all, a deflating visit.....
).As to the Taycan, encouraged by this group, I took a look at one at a dealer while waiting for my Panamera. A salesman helped out. One reservation is that the Taycan is smaller than the Panamera and is not a (semi) hatchback like the Panamera. It seemed a bit less practical to me on first glance, the "trunk" set up seemed clunky. I also asked about the Panamera hybrid. I was told it would not perform as well as my turbo. All in all, a deflating visit.....
08-12-2024, 09:24 PM
#17
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WA and OR are probably equivalent to CA in terms of charging, but go east, different story. Also, as I posted elsewhere, all EVs do more environmental damage off the assembly line that ICEs. Whether EVs make sense, i.e how long it will take to be environmentally ahead, is a function of the size of the EV (bigger takes longer to break even--up to forever for really big) and how clean the electricity is. The best state for electricity that I have found is my home state of WA, but CA and OR are also great. A state I would bet you will not guess: South Dakota (lots of wind farms). WV is all coal. It would not make sense to own an EV there (probably also get you shot ).
As to the Taycan, encouraged by this group, I took a look at one at a dealer while waiting for my Panamera. A salesman helped out. One reservation is that the Taycan is smaller than the Panamera and is not a (semi) hatchback like the Panamera. It seemed a bit less practical to me on first glance, the "trunk" set up seemed clunky. I also asked about the Panamera hybrid. I was told it would not perform as well as my turbo. All in all, a deflating visit.....
).As to the Taycan, encouraged by this group, I took a look at one at a dealer while waiting for my Panamera. A salesman helped out. One reservation is that the Taycan is smaller than the Panamera and is not a (semi) hatchback like the Panamera. It seemed a bit less practical to me on first glance, the "trunk" set up seemed clunky. I also asked about the Panamera hybrid. I was told it would not perform as well as my turbo. All in all, a deflating visit.....
https://blog.greenenergyconsumers.or...s-vs.-gasoline
1/2 through he warranty period an EV is "ahead" of a ICE vehicle on total emissions - about 20k miles…after that it's all better for the remainder - the calc's below are against a 32 mpg vehicle - I'd venture your Panamera Turbo is not a 32 mpg vehicle - so the EV "benefit" would come sooner - possibility in the first year…
did you try the Taycan sedan or CT - the sedan is quite tight on space both cargo and passenger volume - it's a low tight sporty sedan.
so you'll be happy for a while - a lot of people like driving EV's and they can be quite fun.
enjoy your Turbo.
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08-19-2024, 12:23 PM
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I think the battery replacement on my taycan would be less than it cost to rebuild the engine on my 71 :-) That was eye watering.
My opinion: hybrids are the worst option. more complication, more to break, more to repair, for modestly better economy but over time likely little ROI
Get gas, or get electric. Choose what fits your use case and lifestyle.
I'll die on this hill: if you can live with the range / charging inconvenience for long trips, electric is a much better daily driver experience. It will be hard for me to go back.
The one thing I despise on the taycan is the crazy depreciation, which I should have expected given "large German sedan" but it just makes the point these are not financial decisions but experiences, and its a really really good car.
Was out driving one of my 911s yesterday and had to put gas in it. I don't think I'd been to a gas station in 3 months :-)
My opinion: hybrids are the worst option. more complication, more to break, more to repair, for modestly better economy but over time likely little ROI
Get gas, or get electric. Choose what fits your use case and lifestyle.
I'll die on this hill: if you can live with the range / charging inconvenience for long trips, electric is a much better daily driver experience. It will be hard for me to go back.
The one thing I despise on the taycan is the crazy depreciation, which I should have expected given "large German sedan" but it just makes the point these are not financial decisions but experiences, and its a really really good car.
Was out driving one of my 911s yesterday and had to put gas in it. I don't think I'd been to a gas station in 3 months :-)
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08-19-2024, 04:00 PM
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I think the battery replacement on my taycan would be less than it cost to rebuild the engine on my 71 :-) That was eye watering.
My opinion: hybrids are the worst option. more complication, more to break, more to repair, for modestly better economy but over time likely little ROI
Get gas, or get electric. Choose what fits your use case and lifestyle.
I'll die on this hill: if you can live with the range / charging inconvenience for long trips, electric is a much better daily driver experience. It will be hard for me to go back.
The one thing I despise on the taycan is the crazy depreciation, which I should have expected given "large German sedan" but it just makes the point these are not financial decisions but experiences, and its a really really good car.
Was out driving one of my 911s yesterday and had to put gas in it. I don't think I'd been to a gas station in 3 months :-)
My opinion: hybrids are the worst option. more complication, more to break, more to repair, for modestly better economy but over time likely little ROI
Get gas, or get electric. Choose what fits your use case and lifestyle.
I'll die on this hill: if you can live with the range / charging inconvenience for long trips, electric is a much better daily driver experience. It will be hard for me to go back.
The one thing I despise on the taycan is the crazy depreciation, which I should have expected given "large German sedan" but it just makes the point these are not financial decisions but experiences, and its a really really good car.
Was out driving one of my 911s yesterday and had to put gas in it. I don't think I'd been to a gas station in 3 months :-)
a good EV ruins you for gas cars - most of which are crap by comparison - even with 600+ HP Dino-horses - there is _NO_ substitute for _INSTANT_ magnetic torque…it's just addicting.
charge at home and never use "public/commerical" infrastructure is also very addicting…
more people would love EV's if they are given a proper chance.
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08-19-2024, 06:31 PM
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I think the battery replacement on my taycan would be less than it cost to rebuild the engine on my 71 :-) That was eye watering.
My opinion: hybrids are the worst option. more complication, more to break, more to repair, for modestly better economy but over time likely little ROI
Get gas, or get electric. Choose what fits your use case and lifestyle.
I'll die on this hill: if you can live with the range / charging inconvenience for long trips, electric is a much better daily driver experience. It will be hard for me to go back.
The one thing I despise on the taycan is the crazy depreciation, which I should have expected given "large German sedan" but it just makes the point these are not financial decisions but experiences, and its a really really good car.
Was out driving one of my 911s yesterday and had to put gas in it. I don't think I'd been to a gas station in 3 months :-)
My opinion: hybrids are the worst option. more complication, more to break, more to repair, for modestly better economy but over time likely little ROI
Get gas, or get electric. Choose what fits your use case and lifestyle.
I'll die on this hill: if you can live with the range / charging inconvenience for long trips, electric is a much better daily driver experience. It will be hard for me to go back.
The one thing I despise on the taycan is the crazy depreciation, which I should have expected given "large German sedan" but it just makes the point these are not financial decisions but experiences, and its a really really good car.
Was out driving one of my 911s yesterday and had to put gas in it. I don't think I'd been to a gas station in 3 months :-)
08-19-2024, 06:36 PM
#21
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Unfortunately, I don't want to go smaller than a Panamera. I also like its (semi) hatchback design, which the Taycan does not have. Kind of odd the way the designed the Taycan's trunk. Is that related to the battery placement? I too have often wondered about whether a hybrid is the worst of both worlds. How have your maintenance expenses been? No oil changes and no spark plugs might save the better part of $10,000 over the first 100,000 miles.
Cayenne Hybrid was the only thing even close to the performance a P100D Tesla Model X in 2020/2021 when we were swapping away from the Tesla - no good eV at the time (eTron is too slow and limited range) - if BMW had been out then I'd probably be rocking one of those. But the Cayenne will be the last daily-driver ICE if have my way…
gas for "fun" only - EV for everything else!
I'd be considering a Taycan GTS ST if the Macan EV Turbo was not an option - no loss of performance or handling "feel" (about the same CG) and much better back seat and cargo area vs. the pure-sedan.
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08-19-2024, 06:41 PM
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Unfortunately, I don't want to go smaller than a Panamera. I also like its (semi) hatchback design, which the Taycan does not have. Kind of odd the way the designed the Taycan's trunk. Is that related to the battery placement? I too have often wondered about whether a hybrid is the worst of both worlds. How have your maintenance expenses been? No oil changes and no spark plugs might save the better part of $10,000 over the first 100,000 miles.
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08-20-2024, 03:12 AM
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WA and OR are probably equivalent to CA in terms of charging, but go east, different story. Also, as I posted elsewhere, all EVs do more environmental damage off the assembly line that ICEs. Whether EVs make sense, i.e how long it will take to be environmentally ahead, is a function of the size of the EV (bigger takes longer to break even--up to forever for really big) and how clean the electricity is. The best state for electricity that I have found is my home state of WA, but CA and OR are also great. A state I would bet you will not guess: South Dakota (lots of wind farms). WV is all coal. It would not make sense to own an EV there (probably also get you shot ).
As to the Taycan, encouraged by this group, I took a look at one at a dealer while waiting for my Panamera. A salesman helped out. One reservation is that the Taycan is smaller than the Panamera and is not a (semi) hatchback like the Panamera. It seemed a bit less practical to me on first glance, the "trunk" set up seemed clunky. I also asked about the Panamera hybrid. I was told it would not perform as well as my turbo. All in all, a deflating visit.....
).As to the Taycan, encouraged by this group, I took a look at one at a dealer while waiting for my Panamera. A salesman helped out. One reservation is that the Taycan is smaller than the Panamera and is not a (semi) hatchback like the Panamera. It seemed a bit less practical to me on first glance, the "trunk" set up seemed clunky. I also asked about the Panamera hybrid. I was told it would not perform as well as my turbo. All in all, a deflating visit.....
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...s-even-greener
"Electric models are far cleaner over time, but they don’t cross the carbon rubicon until they’ve been on the road awhile. In the US, it takes a little more than two years — about 25,000 miles (40,000 kilometers) of driving — to reach that threshold, according to recent BloombergNEF research. "
April 2024 Bloomberg
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Yesterday, 08:18 PM
#24
I've done the comparison for an S Class vs an EQS and come up with as similar break even point.
Yesterday, 08:51 PM
#25
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but I still prefer them for daily drivers vs. gas cars…
but had a great time with my GT3 @ laguna seca yesterday!!