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Old 07-04-2024, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rennlistfan
Just lease a new one. You buy something like a 911 that holds value.
I buy everything and then drive it 200k+ mi and accept there is little residual value when I’m done with it. I’m not really concerned with resale value. I just want to drive things I like for as long and as much as possible. Leases are perfect for people who don’t put a lot of miles on their cars and swap them out every couple of years, but that isn’t everyone.
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Originally Posted by THEDOD
why would one be concerned with potential issues if they have a warranty? None of the issues have been catastrophic from 2020 models. Heaters/AC : some hiccups according to my tech advisor very few battery issues.
i happen to know 3 different Taycan 2020 owners who still have their cars with minimal issues over 4 year period. 👍

seems the cars that have the most issues are the lower mile cars with three or four owners
"None of the issues have been catastrophic from 2020 models."

Hmmm.

"some hiccups according to my tech advisor very few battery issues."

Me think your tech advisor has been indulging in some good Wacky Tobaccy
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If you are "sold" on the viability of a 2020, more power to you. No argument from me.

When a vehicle depreciates ~50% in four years it means something to me. Taycan warranty (car warranty, not the battery warranty) is 4 yr/50,000 mi. No 2020 Taycan will be under Porsche warranty by end of 2024. Yes, CPO warranty will extend to 2 more years. Aside from warranty, if the car sits in the repair bay weeks (months sometimes) what is the value to the owner? In addition, not all Porsche customers are withing reasonable commuting distance to the dealership.

Again, if you are "sold" on the viability of a 2020, more power to you. No argument from me. I'm only responding to nin005 post "Would you still buy an old (new) 2020 4S?"
Old 07-05-2024, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. G7
"None of the issues have been catastrophic from 2020 models."

Hmmm.

"some hiccups according to my tech advisor very few battery issues."

Me think your tech advisor has been indulging in some good Wacky Tobaccy
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If you are "sold" on the viability of a 2020, more power to you. No argument from me.

When a vehicle depreciates ~50% in four years it means something to me. Taycan warranty (car warranty, not the battery warranty) is 4 yr/50,000 mi. No 2020 Taycan will be under Porsche warranty by end of 2024. Yes, CPO warranty will extend to 2 more years. Aside from warranty, if the car sits in the repair bay weeks (months sometimes) what is the value to the owner? In addition, not all Porsche customers are withing reasonable commuting distance to the dealership.

Again, if you are "sold" on the viability of a 2020, more power to you. No argument from me. I'm only responding to nin005 post "Would you still buy an old (new) 2020 4S?"
Unfortunately it's not just a 2020 problem it is all model year taycans that have battery, charger, brakes, and cell module problems. Over in another forum there is a poll going on for battery failures and 2022 has a slightly higher failure rate for the members on that board.

Best advice I can give is find a Taycan with all the options you want with the most amount of warranty you can get. Then sell it before the warranty runs out.

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Old 07-05-2024, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CarAholic
Unfortunately it's not just a 2020 problem it is all model year taycans that have battery, charger, brakes, and cell module problems. Over in another forum there is a poll going on for battery failures and 2022 has a slightly higher failure rate for the members on that board.

Best advice I can give is find a Taycan with all the options you want with the most amount of warranty you can get. Then sell it before the warranty runs out.
By default 2020 the introductory year (carbon credits + rush to market?) has the most problems and the associated dealer unpreparedness. On an another subforum I posted, in 2021, there were only "eleven" Zuffenhausen trained EV techs in America.

"Then sell it before the warranty runs out"

Challenge for me (not having deep pockets) the depreciation on this Taycan will be "who wants this out of warranty vehicle?" This is another "problem" with a 2020 Taycan, five months (and counting down) expiry for all 2020 Taycan factory warranties. Would dealers take a 2020 in "fair" trade and want to CPO, knowing well the net loss? Or will dealers give dime on the dollar and then run the Taycans through auctions, to end up here:

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Old 07-05-2024, 05:14 PM
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For a low mile 2020 turbo that still has warranty if I could buy one for 70K, I wouldn’t think twice it would be sitting in my garage. 👍
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Originally Posted by Dr. G7
There is a saying: you get what you pay for.
Buyer beware with a 2020 Taycan.
There's no 2020 thread without G7s input. To be honest it's beginning to look like a sorted 2020 is more reliable than newer years (and by sorted I mean maintained and updated). I would rather buy the 2020 and not deal with as much depreciation - its going to be steep even on the later years. Get an extended warranty if you're worried about repair costs (Fidelity or Porsche).

Ours is at 42k and going strong.

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Originally Posted by NF4710
There's no 2020 thread without G7s input. To be honest it's beginning to look like a sorted 2020 is more reliable than newer years (and by sorted I mean maintained and updated). I would rather buy the 2020 and not deal with as much depreciation - its going to be steep even on the later years. Get an extended warranty if you're worried about repair costs (Fidelity or Porsche).

Ours is at 42k and going strong.

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I have a 2020 4 S that just had its HV battery replaced by a re-manufactured 2023 on warranty. The battery failed at the dealer while they were trouble shooting a sudden range loss. Because the car was a 2020 it was eligible to get the battery replaced rather than repaired.It appears the 2020 battery modules have issues. I wouldn't entertain getting a 2020 with it's original battery.




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Old 07-30-2024, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by r553
I have a 2020 4 S that just had its HV battery replaced by a re-manufactured 2023 on warranty...
Congratulations.

You are a brave soul to say, "It appears the 2020 battery modules have issues. I wouldn't entertain getting a 2020 with its original battery."

When I said the same, please read the howls of protests from "2020 Taycan fanboys."

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Originally Posted by r553
I have a 2020 4 S that just had its HV battery replaced by a re-manufactured 2023 on warranty. The battery failed at the dealer while they were trouble shooting a sudden range loss. Because the car was a 2020 it was eligible to get the battery replaced rather than repaired.It appears the 2020 battery modules have issues. I wouldn't entertain getting a 2020 with it's original battery.

The reason they replaced your battery with a newer one is probably because they don't make the older battery anymore. There are reports of battery failures from nearly every year Taycan. We've seen no statistical evidence that 2020 is worse than any other year- just supposition from a guy who rebuilds batteries and the constant commentary from G7.

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I was told by my service advisor at the Porsche dealer that my battery was replaced because it was a 2020 that had failed. I am passing along what I was told.
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Old 08-03-2024, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NF4710
The reason they replaced your battery with a newer one is probably because they don't make the older battery anymore. There are reports of battery failures from nearly every year Taycan. We've seen no statistical evidence that 2020 is worse than any other year- just supposition from a guy who rebuilds batteries and the constant commentary from G7.

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The guy who rebuilds batteries has said that 2021 and 2022 batteries are more stable than 2020. Why do you doubt that opinion is rooted in statistical observation?

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Old 08-03-2024, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by r553
... it was a 2020 that had failed. I am passing along what I was told.
As I told you, the 2020 fanboy(s) came come out (of his/her/its grandma's basement to click away)
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Originally Posted by flygdchman
The guy who rebuilds batteries has said that 2021 and 2022 batteries are more stable than 2020. Why do you doubt that opinion is rooted in statistical observation?

2020 was the introductory year... read rush to market to obtain carbon credits.
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Originally Posted by flygdchman
The guy who rebuilds batteries has said that 2021 and 2022 batteries are more stable than 2020. Why do you doubt that opinion is rooted in statistical observation?
How many has he repaired? Has he given us any data or is he another conspiracy theorist like G7? There are dozens of 2020 owners if not more here who haven’t had battery issues.

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