Versus Tesla 3 and Plaid
04-05-2021, 12:16 AM
#61
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Not ideal if you commute through heavy stop n go traffic in a major city.
I no longer have to deal with that, so I’m good with regular cruise control.
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Needsdecaf (04-05-2021)
04-05-2021, 09:34 AM
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04-17-2021, 03:00 PM
#63
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I'm looking for a more sporty ride, but not track level of stiffness as the M3P is my DD.
04-18-2021, 05:50 PM
#65
Eh, not really.
I drove an F80 M3, M4, C63, and 991.1 and 991.2 prior to buying my 991.1 Carrera in 2016, so I have a very good idea of how they ride. Yes, they are pretty stiffly sprung, however they still have a much more sophisticated damper than the Model 3.
I've had two model 3's, and now have over 60k miles combined. The Model 3 does not have a good ride on undulating pavement, and particularly on segmented concrete. I can see if you drive primarily on asphalt roads you might think it's a decent ride, but really it's not. The problem is that the springs are soft, and the dampers don't have much control, so the car is into the bumpstops on anything over a moderate bump. You then get a very "springy" ride. It's very bouncy and pogo-y. See the video below, and pay attention to the fixed horizontal elements such as the sign standards and overpasses. It's especially bad in the back seat. I can literally get places where my kids will pop off the back seat.
The M Cars, etc. are stiff, but they're not out of control like the Model 3 is. For reference, neither of my 911's have ridden this poorly, on the same roads, even in their stiffest suspension.
https://youtu.be/PTEpA_iKZjk
I drove an F80 M3, M4, C63, and 991.1 and 991.2 prior to buying my 991.1 Carrera in 2016, so I have a very good idea of how they ride. Yes, they are pretty stiffly sprung, however they still have a much more sophisticated damper than the Model 3.
I've had two model 3's, and now have over 60k miles combined. The Model 3 does not have a good ride on undulating pavement, and particularly on segmented concrete. I can see if you drive primarily on asphalt roads you might think it's a decent ride, but really it's not. The problem is that the springs are soft, and the dampers don't have much control, so the car is into the bumpstops on anything over a moderate bump. You then get a very "springy" ride. It's very bouncy and pogo-y. See the video below, and pay attention to the fixed horizontal elements such as the sign standards and overpasses. It's especially bad in the back seat. I can literally get places where my kids will pop off the back seat.
The M Cars, etc. are stiff, but they're not out of control like the Model 3 is. For reference, neither of my 911's have ridden this poorly, on the same roads, even in their stiffest suspension.
https://youtu.be/PTEpA_iKZjk
these are driving appliances made by a company that wants to replace drivers with computers. And that’s great for the majority of people who don’t care about cars and just want some transportation. But a nuanced driving experience it is not.
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Der-Schwabe (04-19-2021)
04-19-2021, 08:00 AM
#66
Additional opinions:
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesl...mparison-test/
“(the BMW has) ...an adaptive suspension that's obnoxiously brittle—even in its softest setting. Testing director Kim Reynolds probably put it best when he said "it finds annoying bumps without the commensurate handling composure payoff." Walton couldn't wait to get out of the car.”
Or this:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...rap-up-review/
“Even set to comfort, the M3 has the compliance of a race car. It pounds heavily over cracked pavement and freeway expansion joints, magnifying every imperfection in the road. We’d swear the chassis even gets jostled by painted lane markings and the shadows of telephone poles. And the ride got worse as the miles piled up. “The more I drive this as it gets older, the more I dislike how much it crashes over bumps,” wrote copy editor Jennifer Harrington after returning from a road trip.By the end of our test, enough shock waves had been sent through the car that the interior had accumulated more rattles than Babies “R” Us. There was a time when BMW tuned every M car’s suspension right to the threshold of harshness without crossing over into unacceptably firm. Now, with adjustable suspensions predominant in its portfolio, the company seems to have lost sight of where that magic mark is”
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesl...mparison-test/
“(the BMW has) ...an adaptive suspension that's obnoxiously brittle—even in its softest setting. Testing director Kim Reynolds probably put it best when he said "it finds annoying bumps without the commensurate handling composure payoff." Walton couldn't wait to get out of the car.”
Or this:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...rap-up-review/
“Even set to comfort, the M3 has the compliance of a race car. It pounds heavily over cracked pavement and freeway expansion joints, magnifying every imperfection in the road. We’d swear the chassis even gets jostled by painted lane markings and the shadows of telephone poles. And the ride got worse as the miles piled up. “The more I drive this as it gets older, the more I dislike how much it crashes over bumps,” wrote copy editor Jennifer Harrington after returning from a road trip.By the end of our test, enough shock waves had been sent through the car that the interior had accumulated more rattles than Babies “R” Us. There was a time when BMW tuned every M car’s suspension right to the threshold of harshness without crossing over into unacceptably firm. Now, with adjustable suspensions predominant in its portfolio, the company seems to have lost sight of where that magic mark is”
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04-19-2021, 01:29 PM
#67
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Additional opinions:
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesl...mparison-test/
“(the BMW has) ...an adaptive suspension that's obnoxiously brittle—even in its softest setting. Testing director Kim Reynolds probably put it best when he said "it finds annoying bumps without the commensurate handling composure payoff." Walton couldn't wait to get out of the car.”
Or this:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...rap-up-review/
“Even set to comfort, the M3 has the compliance of a race car. It pounds heavily over cracked pavement and freeway expansion joints, magnifying every imperfection in the road. We’d swear the chassis even gets jostled by painted lane markings and the shadows of telephone poles. And the ride got worse as the miles piled up. “The more I drive this as it gets older, the more I dislike how much it crashes over bumps,” wrote copy editor Jennifer Harrington after returning from a road trip.By the end of our test, enough shock waves had been sent through the car that the interior had accumulated more rattles than Babies “R” Us. There was a time when BMW tuned every M car’s suspension right to the threshold of harshness without crossing over into unacceptably firm. Now, with adjustable suspensions predominant in its portfolio, the company seems to have lost sight of where that magic mark is”
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesl...mparison-test/
“(the BMW has) ...an adaptive suspension that's obnoxiously brittle—even in its softest setting. Testing director Kim Reynolds probably put it best when he said "it finds annoying bumps without the commensurate handling composure payoff." Walton couldn't wait to get out of the car.”
Or this:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...rap-up-review/
“Even set to comfort, the M3 has the compliance of a race car. It pounds heavily over cracked pavement and freeway expansion joints, magnifying every imperfection in the road. We’d swear the chassis even gets jostled by painted lane markings and the shadows of telephone poles. And the ride got worse as the miles piled up. “The more I drive this as it gets older, the more I dislike how much it crashes over bumps,” wrote copy editor Jennifer Harrington after returning from a road trip.By the end of our test, enough shock waves had been sent through the car that the interior had accumulated more rattles than Babies “R” Us. There was a time when BMW tuned every M car’s suspension right to the threshold of harshness without crossing over into unacceptably firm. Now, with adjustable suspensions predominant in its portfolio, the company seems to have lost sight of where that magic mark is”
The BMW has a much flintier ride. It's quite harsh over sharp bumps. However, it does have much better body control and does not head toss. I'd say both are equally annoying in daily driving for different reasons. The BMW rides more like my 911.
However when pushed, the BMW gets the job done whereas the Model 3 runs out of answers quickly, as you're basically cornering on the bump stops 95% of the time.
04-19-2021, 02:26 PM
#68
Additional opinions:
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesl...mparison-test/
“(the BMW has) ...an adaptive suspension that's obnoxiously brittle—even in its softest setting. Testing director Kim Reynolds probably put it best when he said "it finds annoying bumps without the commensurate handling composure payoff." Walton couldn't wait to get out of the car.”
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesl...mparison-test/
“(the BMW has) ...an adaptive suspension that's obnoxiously brittle—even in its softest setting. Testing director Kim Reynolds probably put it best when he said "it finds annoying bumps without the commensurate handling composure payoff." Walton couldn't wait to get out of the car.”
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...rap-up-review/
“Even set to comfort, the M3 has the compliance of a race car. It pounds heavily over cracked pavement and freeway expansion joints, magnifying every imperfection in the road. We’d swear the chassis even gets jostled by painted lane markings and the shadows of telephone poles. And the ride got worse as the miles piled up. “The more I drive this as it gets older, the more I dislike how much it crashes over bumps,” wrote copy editor Jennifer Harrington after returning from a road trip.By the end of our test, enough shock waves had been sent through the car that the interior had accumulated more rattles than Babies “R” Us. There was a time when BMW tuned every M car’s suspension right to the threshold of harshness without crossing over into unacceptably firm. Now, with adjustable suspensions predominant in its portfolio, the company seems to have lost sight of where that magic mark is”
“Even set to comfort, the M3 has the compliance of a race car. It pounds heavily over cracked pavement and freeway expansion joints, magnifying every imperfection in the road. We’d swear the chassis even gets jostled by painted lane markings and the shadows of telephone poles. And the ride got worse as the miles piled up. “The more I drive this as it gets older, the more I dislike how much it crashes over bumps,” wrote copy editor Jennifer Harrington after returning from a road trip.By the end of our test, enough shock waves had been sent through the car that the interior had accumulated more rattles than Babies “R” Us. There was a time when BMW tuned every M car’s suspension right to the threshold of harshness without crossing over into unacceptably firm. Now, with adjustable suspensions predominant in its portfolio, the company seems to have lost sight of where that magic mark is”
You can knock BMW and it’s failures over the last decade all you want. That’s just how I got to a 911. It doesn’t make the Tesla any better.
04-20-2021, 02:32 PM
#69
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well I haven’t driven a 2019 330i, I did drive a 2009 335 back to back with a model 3 and it was quite superior in steering and handling. The handling wasn’t as far apart as the steering.
Haven’t driven a 2015 M3, but drove a 2010 extensively and back to back with a model 3. That BMW made me realize just how terrible the model 3 suspension and steering is and how I couldn’t be happy with it even as a daily.
You can knock BMW and it’s failures over the last decade all you want. That’s just how I got to a 911. It doesn’t make the Tesla any better.
Haven’t driven a 2015 M3, but drove a 2010 extensively and back to back with a model 3. That BMW made me realize just how terrible the model 3 suspension and steering is and how I couldn’t be happy with it even as a daily.
You can knock BMW and it’s failures over the last decade all you want. That’s just how I got to a 911. It doesn’t make the Tesla any better.