of the 7 years I've been a Tesla customer the OTA's about been about 90% good and 10% bad - I"ll take the constant improvement over the minor changes any. day of the week - it keep the product fresh, current, timely, and shows me that Tesla is paying attention and continues to invest in their products.

My Bolt has yet to receive a software update and it is in need of some minor software fixes that would greatly benefit the product.

I know which of the two companies approaches I prefer. On balance I find the OTA updates to a be a benefit, any feedback to the negative is simply focusing on the slight negative consequences vs. the overwhelming benefit. I greatly prefer it to a dealer provided update, where I know more the dealer about the update, and even when asked the Dealer denied the update existed, then when shown proof make me schedule an appointment, and then kept the car for 3 days as the tech figured out how to apply the update and then tried to charge me for it.

Progress is painful for some, rarely consequence free, but overall generally beneficial - that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. OTA updates are a good thing, and should be embraced.

 

We are hoping to get into a dealer demo Taycan to answer my questions about driver fit and access. After driving two Panamera service loaners, I think the similar 4S is not a "fit" for us (currently in a '19 Cayenne S). It not, the E-Tron GT looks like a roomier alternative. Beyond that, we're may stay with the the Cayenne.

 

I really liked the Etron. Range a total fail. Next version?

 

I daily drive a Model S P100D and I am sorry to say but I can't agree with anyone coming from a Porsche that a Tesla is a car you can live with. There's so much I can't live with. Here's just some of it:

1) The brakes are just laughable. These are the worst brakes I've seen on a 500+bhp car in a long long time. OK, you can ride them for 100k km (or miles) without a change, but you wouldn't want to!

2) The suspension is not good enough for the task. I have not driven a Raven, but my March'19 Tesla feels like a giant boat, that's both too comfy and too harsh at the same time. The only thing you can actually adjust on a non Raven model is the ride hight. And it does not corner well even at the lowest setting, not at speeds at least.

3) There's a ton of torque steer. It used to feel fun, but nowadays I rarely push the pedal to the metal, because I know I'll end up in an unpredictably different line than the one I am driving at.

4) The seatbelts are a continuous pain in the butt, especially the rear ones. If I put an Isofix child seat, the seatbelt buckle is not accessible because it goes under the seat?! If I put a light bag on the seat (any seat), I need to buckle it up too, cause you know, the bell will start chiming in 20 seconds.

5) While they sound fun, most of the features are still in deep beta. For example, my "Autowipers (beta)" don't work at all and my Auto Parking feature tries to crash the car every single time I use it and does so in a very fast and violent matter. The FSD has tried to hit a lot of stopped by the road cars too. I am scared to even try the Advanced Summon feature

I can go on for days here, but the bottom line for me is that the Tesla will be a good car, some day. Maybe them trying to defeat some Ring records is actually a great thing. But truth be told, it's still a beta version of this good car now.

 

I think the model 3 performance is considerably better than the current model S, but most of this is still on point. It’s a fantastic daily driver, but it doesn’t handle like a German sports car let alone a Porsche.

 

Significantly better looking than the Taycan IMHO. Curious what the price will be. Maybe the etron GT will be what Blume promised the Taycan would be.

 

It's a beautiful car for an ICEV but the front end is a total fail as an EV. Eventually they will figure it out. Efficiency beats bigger battery every time.

 

I'm not so sure about that. Remember Tesla started out with a "fake grill" too. I see a nose-bridge on there which means while visually it's tall, likely it's slipperier than it would appear. And you never know how much of that grille is actually grille and how much is blocked off. Audi is famous for "solid honeycomb" fake intakes on the front.

But their large "single frame" grille is difficult to transition to an EV, for sure.

 

When you mentioned seatbelts, I thought for a second maybe you actually had a P100D. But then the complaint wasn't the common one.

 

@Tenko Nikolov hmmm - I've owned a P85, P85D, Model X (2 2016 & 2017), and a Model 3 Performance (over 150,000. miles driving across the 5 Teslas)- clearly you dislike your car. But I can say with 100% certainty your experiences do not mirror my own and most of your feedback is alien to me.

I do agree the Brakes suck - but I never use them because the regeneration is effective enough that braking is normally un-necessary - I'm not saying you're wrong, just inconsistent with my personal experience. I recommend you sell the car and get something that works better for you. 100,000 km/mile is a very low number and Tesla brakes are clocking 250,000 - 300,000 miles for service intervals - they are effectively lifetime items, but yes repeated use of the brakes for stopping the heavy Model S will lead to disappointment for a heavy performance oriented driving style, but routine driving and in practice their usage is virtually nonexistent unless you are constantly tail gating people, in which case I would agree they are not the best brakes I've used.

torque steer for example is whole absent as a piece of feedback from ANY ONE in nearly 6 or 7 years of Model S reviews - and there is plenty to review both positive and negative. Your feedback regarding Torque steer is unique among the collective knowledge of Model S feedback and whole absent from anyone else regarding the Model S. There is plenty to complain about for the Model S but this one piece of feedback is a statistical outlier.

My Bolt torque steers like the dickens - and I remember an interview with Chevy engineers about how much work they put into minimizing it cause they had never dealt with a car with that much power and needing that much correction for such a small eco-package.

Your experience is valid and your feedback is valued, however it is inconsistent with narratives shared by many regarding the car's performance. I think you'll do better with a different car and the Taycan is probably a great fit for you.

Sorry the Tesla does not meet your expectations. Have you tired sharing your feedback with the Tesla forums I'm sure they would validate your feedback and provide you with more data as to if your feedback is unique or common to the community.

 

Also, isn't torque steer a primarily FWD feedback?
I assumed it was a fake post when he mentioned smart summon, which isn't available in Eastern Europe AFAIK.

 

@Dyefrog I'm dubious of the feedback - there is plenty to complain about with the Model S - inventing new problems and claims leads to dubious claims - the auto-parking feature does not work well for example (and I would never claim otherwise - my Mecedes auto park was glorious - the Tesla not so much), but it's speed while doing the parking is not the issue based on my experience as another example of unique feedback.

the parking claim would be easy to validate as valid experience with a video posted to youtube - if it's really that bad and consistently that bad there would perhaps be videos posted all over the internet proclaiming Tesla auto-parking shame…again no data other than this single data point..if it is happening it would be one of the easiest things to document and demonstrate.

I find the feedback unique.

 

WOW, I did not realise I was in the "TESLA IS GREAT, DON'T SHAME THE TESLA FORUM"

I'm on pre-order on the Taycan, so I think that's sorted out. Also, you guys seem to not believe me, which is totally fine - everyone can have their beliefs. I don't think it's feasible to continue this discussing this, so I will just post this here:

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...-torque-steer/

While previous Model S drives hardly wafted the scent of torque steer, the 2019 Model S Long Range required a firm grip on the steering wheel to ensure the electric sedan stayed pointed in the desired direction. On Tuesday, Tesla said it's started to roll out a new over-the-air software update that addresses this exact issue.

Surely, I am not the only one. And also, the update eliminates torque steer my a**

I do not have Enhanced Summon active. Nobody in Eastern Europe does. All I said was I'm scared to try it, based on my other experiences. I never said I had it

Of course, there isn't a single video on the Internet of Tesla Self Parking failure. None.




^^ the above is what happened to me, twice. I probably do have a video of it too, on my TESLACAM usb drive, but I see no point in showing that, as the Internet is full of them.

Yes, sure. We all "have" the same problems. And that proves I don't drive a P100D... OK.

Here's a screenshot from the app of the car in my garage, that I do not own

 

I want one of these once they come out -- hope the foolish light-up "e-tron" doesn't make it to the final production car though.

 

The e-tron is out. Did you mean the e-tron GT?