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06-15-2016, 07:20 PM
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We will have the scales and everything to do a setup at VIR if you'd like. We are trying some new things that weekend as far as setup.
I also ordered an extra pair of 500# springs that we will test (500# all 4 corners) at the PCA DE at Indy Aug 19-21. If anyone would like to join us that weekend we have cars for rent and trackside/coaching opportunities.
I also ordered an extra pair of 500# springs that we will test (500# all 4 corners) at the PCA DE at Indy Aug 19-21. If anyone would like to join us that weekend we have cars for rent and trackside/coaching opportunities.
06-15-2016, 08:38 PM
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I can help you with it if you need it.
06-15-2016, 10:06 PM
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06-16-2016, 01:39 PM
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Get with Gladwill on rule change proposals as he's our representative to PCA. I know he was also interested in squaring up the springs as well. If you need his cell number PM me.
There's nothing you can do to the transmission for longevity besides, getting aggressive on fluids, driving smoother, and making it cooler so considering adding a trans cooler + a wrap or coating on the exhaust to keep heat away from it.
My three big grips in the class from a car perspective:
1) Our rain tires SUCK and is a safety issue
2) Our spring options are limited. I like the idea of saying "450 and 500" is allowed - whatever corner you want them on.
3) OEM wheels are hard to find and costly for the performance/weight. Would love to work with OZ on a spec wheel for the class and drive down costs so we don't have to keep running on straightened wheels
LSD would be interesting...
There's nothing you can do to the transmission for longevity besides, getting aggressive on fluids, driving smoother, and making it cooler so considering adding a trans cooler + a wrap or coating on the exhaust to keep heat away from it.
My three big grips in the class from a car perspective:
1) Our rain tires SUCK and is a safety issue
2) Our spring options are limited. I like the idea of saying "450 and 500" is allowed - whatever corner you want them on.
3) OEM wheels are hard to find and costly for the performance/weight. Would love to work with OZ on a spec wheel for the class and drive down costs so we don't have to keep running on straightened wheels
LSD would be interesting...
+5 on wheels. should be a minimum weight and let the rest be by choice. would certainly help the performance of the car to drop 6-8# of rotating weight. the OEM's are getting harder and harder to come by, they are worn and spendy. was a great option for a while, but i think getting past their prime.
we did a TON of testing to set a SPB up to run in WRL endurance. one of the very good/cheap improvements was spacers in the rear. you should feel the stability increase from a 20mm rear spacer. quick, easy, cheap. and, as chris mentioned with a rain tire change.....would enhance safety on the track.
06-16-2016, 03:45 PM
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Aftermarket wheels wont be as cheap as OEM wheels, that's a given. The last two sets I got where straight and true and cost me less than $800. I have another two sets available to me right now for the same amount. Lowering the weight of the wheel isn't needed either. The class was never intended to be the fastest class out there. The rules as they are currently written allow drivers to manage cost while keeping the cars competitive which was the original intent of the class. A set of OZ wheels will be $1600, which is twice the cost of OEM wheels currently.
Suggest if drivers are looking to go faster they move up to Spec Cayman where all of these proposed changes detailed here are allowed under the current rules for that class. SPB is plenty fast. My car can frequently hang with F or E cars. The issue with making the cars faster is stopping them. The brake system on the cars is already close to its limit due to pad and rotor size.
Spacers in the rear may help the car, but currently is illegal to do to race the car in SPB. It also is not needed. With proper setup, the car is a very stable platform when driven like a mid engined car should be driven. If you try to drive it like a rear or front engined car, its not very stable at all.
Suggest if drivers are looking to go faster they move up to Spec Cayman where all of these proposed changes detailed here are allowed under the current rules for that class. SPB is plenty fast. My car can frequently hang with F or E cars. The issue with making the cars faster is stopping them. The brake system on the cars is already close to its limit due to pad and rotor size.
Spacers in the rear may help the car, but currently is illegal to do to race the car in SPB. It also is not needed. With proper setup, the car is a very stable platform when driven like a mid engined car should be driven. If you try to drive it like a rear or front engined car, its not very stable at all.
06-16-2016, 04:40 PM
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Aftermarket wheels wont be as cheap as OEM wheels, that's a given. The last two sets I got where straight and true and cost me less than $800. I have another two sets available to me right now for the same amount. Lowering the weight of the wheel isn't needed either. The class was never intended to be the fastest class out there. The rules as they are currently written allow drivers to manage cost while keeping the cars competitive which was the original intent of the class. A set of OZ wheels will be $1600, which is twice the cost of OEM wheels currently.
Suggest if drivers are looking to go faster they move up to Spec Cayman where all of these proposed changes detailed here are allowed under the current rules for that class. SPB is plenty fast. My car can frequently hang with F or E cars. The issue with making the cars faster is stopping them. The brake system on the cars is already close to its limit due to pad and rotor size.
Spacers in the rear may help the car, but currently is illegal to do to race the car in SPB. It also is not needed. With proper setup, the car is a very stable platform when driven like a mid engined car should be driven. If you try to drive it like a rear or front engined car, its not very stable at all.
Suggest if drivers are looking to go faster they move up to Spec Cayman where all of these proposed changes detailed here are allowed under the current rules for that class. SPB is plenty fast. My car can frequently hang with F or E cars. The issue with making the cars faster is stopping them. The brake system on the cars is already close to its limit due to pad and rotor size.
Spacers in the rear may help the car, but currently is illegal to do to race the car in SPB. It also is not needed. With proper setup, the car is a very stable platform when driven like a mid engined car should be driven. If you try to drive it like a rear or front engined car, its not very stable at all.
06-16-2016, 05:15 PM
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Aftermarket wheels wont be as cheap as OEM wheels, that's a given. The last two sets I got where straight and true and cost me less than $800. I have another two sets available to me right now for the same amount. Lowering the weight of the wheel isn't needed either. The class was never intended to be the fastest class out there. The rules as they are currently written allow drivers to manage cost while keeping the cars competitive which was the original intent of the class. A set of OZ wheels will be $1600, which is twice the cost of OEM wheels currently.
Suggest if drivers are looking to go faster they move up to Spec Cayman where all of these proposed changes detailed here are allowed under the current rules for that class. SPB is plenty fast. My car can frequently hang with F or E cars. The issue with making the cars faster is stopping them. The brake system on the cars is already close to its limit due to pad and rotor size.
Spacers in the rear may help the car, but currently is illegal to do to race the car in SPB. It also is not needed. With proper setup, the car is a very stable platform when driven like a mid engined car should be driven. If you try to drive it like a rear or front engined car, its not very stable at all.
Suggest if drivers are looking to go faster they move up to Spec Cayman where all of these proposed changes detailed here are allowed under the current rules for that class. SPB is plenty fast. My car can frequently hang with F or E cars. The issue with making the cars faster is stopping them. The brake system on the cars is already close to its limit due to pad and rotor size.
Spacers in the rear may help the car, but currently is illegal to do to race the car in SPB. It also is not needed. With proper setup, the car is a very stable platform when driven like a mid engined car should be driven. If you try to drive it like a rear or front engined car, its not very stable at all.
06-16-2016, 07:29 PM
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Aftermarket wheels wont be as cheap as OEM wheels, that's a given. The last two sets I got where straight and true and cost me less than $800. I have another two sets available to me right now for the same amount. Lowering the weight of the wheel isn't needed either. The class was never intended to be the fastest class out there. The rules as they are currently written allow drivers to manage cost while keeping the cars competitive which was the original intent of the class. A set of OZ wheels will be $1600, which is twice the cost of OEM wheels currently.
Suggest if drivers are looking to go faster they move up to Spec Cayman where all of these proposed changes detailed here are allowed under the current rules for that class. SPB is plenty fast. My car can frequently hang with F or E cars. The issue with making the cars faster is stopping them. The brake system on the cars is already close to its limit due to pad and rotor size.
Spacers in the rear may help the car, but currently is illegal to do to race the car in SPB. It also is not needed. With proper setup, the car is a very stable platform when driven like a mid engined car should be driven. If you try to drive it like a rear or front engined car, its not very stable at all.
Suggest if drivers are looking to go faster they move up to Spec Cayman where all of these proposed changes detailed here are allowed under the current rules for that class. SPB is plenty fast. My car can frequently hang with F or E cars. The issue with making the cars faster is stopping them. The brake system on the cars is already close to its limit due to pad and rotor size.
Spacers in the rear may help the car, but currently is illegal to do to race the car in SPB. It also is not needed. With proper setup, the car is a very stable platform when driven like a mid engined car should be driven. If you try to drive it like a rear or front engined car, its not very stable at all.
06-16-2016, 10:40 PM
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i understand it is illegal in SPB. as was pointed out earlier, so was running square wheel size. that didn't stop some from testing it, seeing its advantages, and then proposing it to the rule committee. same for the spacers. it settles the car more under trail braking. is the car terrible without? no. but why not consider a noticeable handling improvement for a VERY minor cost and NO work on the car?
In my mind it just takes away from what is a kick *** class.
06-16-2016, 10:51 PM
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Sorry, I did realize you had said you had tested for WRL. My point was, it's not needed. The car is stable. It teaches car control. The idea isn't to make it RSR stable. The idea is for drivers to develop skills at low speeds and low cost. Adding spacers to the rear is not in line with this. The square wheel size was also driven in part to reduce cost by allowing drivers to rotate their tire stock easier, so had this alignment to the baseline class direction.
In my mind it just takes away from what is a kick *** class.
In my mind it just takes away from what is a kick *** class.