unskirted

Does the power delivery come even close to a turbo? Really considering the turbo/s but not fully ready to lose the 7 speed manual

AlterZgo

Not really. Maybe if you had PDK and ran the E85 tune you might hang with a turbo but not stage 1 w/ manual. The turbo will murder you off the line and keep pulling on the high end.

This video shows a tuned 992 4S w/ diwnpioes and PDK and a 991.1 turbo S still pulls on it, though turbo s sounds like it has exhaust but no tune.

Angryinch

And what if the Turbo has a tune and exhaust? Bye bye 👋

unskirted

well, obviously. I’m asking tuned gts vs stock turbo

TheDrivenGarage

The other limiting factor is going to be the stock manual clutch from what I can find. This is why they detune the Sport Classic vs the Turbo S. The PDK can take more power and torque.

I have an incoming manual 4 GTS and I went through the same mental math and just accepted that's its the fasted manual awd 911 that Porsche makes and left it at that.

Fullyield

Per M Engineering, factory clutch, pp and flywheel on MT good to 660 ft. Lbs. torque. I just asked them that very question by e mail because of confusing statements on internet. But at 650-700 ft. Lbs. torque, probably need to upgrade standard PDK clutch packs as well.

tna3

Dont forget one of the factors that the PDK is so much faster off the line is because it allows the car to be revved harder at launch. With a tune, you get to remove this limitation. On a tuned 4S you should be able to achieve hard launches assuming you have the mind set that you will need to go through clutches like brakes.

TheDrivenGarage

interesting! I was researching this as well and everything I had seen pointed to the clutch not being able to take much more power than the Sports Classic. But if there is 200 more ft lbs of reliable use then that’s awesome.

has anyone pushed the manual that far yet?

protamine

I think the point is that theyre pretty close which is incredible given the price difference and .8L displacement difference

shrimp money

How dare you 😂

Angryinch

Youre comparing a tuned car to a stock car and it’s incredible that they’re close?

There is no way in hell a manual is going to keep up with a turbo, tuned or not. Turbo does 0-60 in less than 3 seconds and is a low 10sec car in stock form.

reddsektor

“Power” wise on stage1 you’ll be in between a turbo and turbo S. But manual on the gts will make the turbo S gap wider especially on straight line.

Wilder

What exactly are you looking to get out of your car?
If you want it for launches or you want to go fast in a straight line, Turbo/S.
If you want manual and RWD, GTS or SC are the only way.
If you want a lighter car, GTS will be at least 200 lbs lighter.

Fullyield

I had the same question, Driven. Like you, I had repeatedly seen the exact same internet speculation you mention but have never seen Porsche or any another recognized expert make that statement. Just internet gossip. So, I sent an e mail to M Engineering and asked the same question figuring they would have to know, right? I asked what the maximum torque was that a 2022 992S with factory 7 speed manual transmission stock dry clutch system could reliably handle. Jerry Ellis from M Engineering responded to my e mail stating that the maximum limit was 660 ft. Lbs. torque for 992 factory MT 7 speed system and both their Stage 1 and Stage 2 tunes they sell have max. Torque well below that level. Figured they and Porsche are both experts on the topic…… and good luck getting any info out of Porsche.

Also keep in mind that the factory PDK in the Turbos is an enhanced version over the factory PDK that comes in the base, T, S and GTS. Part of the reason for the Turbo S MSRP = $230k+ is the enhanced tranny I guess. Biggest issue with the standard PDK historically has been the electronic sensors inside the gear box mixing with hot gear oil = very, very expensive repair.

X-PH.COM - MIKE

OP,
a tuned GTS can make a lot more power than stock and will be close to a stock turbo.