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Old 04-24-2019, 01:00 PM
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Terrible day as my best friend failed on track at Mid-Ohio. I had just put Billy Boat mufflers, a ROW M030 suspension kit, Rennline Race Motor mounts, 997 shifter and a Rennline shift ****. I upgraded to an X51 baffle kit and was using 340 treadwear Continental Extreme Contact Sports, so I should've been okay. Key words there being should have. Now begins the process of rebuilding. I haven't split the block yet, but as you can see from the gold rush of an oil filter container something's been destroyed. Best guess from my friend's at P3 Autokrafte in Dayton is main bearings.
Now I turn to rennlist. I have rebuilt one engine two years ago in a shop class which was held in the middle of the night, so I'll call my experience null. My wrenching ability I would describe as average. I have bought the 996 service manual, and 101 projects for you 996. What else should I do, or get, or whom should I seek to help me try to rebuild this M96. As well as, should I explore boring or stroking while I'm in there. I'm planning on installing an LN engineering IMS bearing as well as an LN engineering .5 qt deep sump oil pan. I'm planning on getting a different car to be a dedicated track car, so I'll skip the 2 quart deep sump to avoid clearance issues.
Thanks in advance for your feedback guys!

Old 04-24-2019, 01:03 PM
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So sorry to see this.
Old 04-24-2019, 01:06 PM
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Yikes! Sorry for your loss but think of it as an opportunity to bump up the displacement to 3.6 or 3.8.

This long thread documents some major steps of my rebuild (3.6 to 3.8 LN nickies) may help https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...wn-engine.html
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Ouch! I know that feels like a gut punch especially with all the money you've dumped into the car.

Not trying to add insult to injury or turn this into another oil thread, but what oil were you running? Did you lose pressure on the track?

Personally, if you wanted to rebuild the motor yourself, I would encourage you to take Jake Raby's M96 rebuild classes.
Old 04-24-2019, 01:49 PM
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Sorry to see this happen.
Old 04-24-2019, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NuttyProfessor
Ouch! I know that feels like a gut punch especially with all the money you've dumped into the car.

Not trying to add insult to injury or turn this into another oil thread, but what oil were you running? Did you lose pressure on the track?

Personally, if you wanted to rebuild the motor yourself, I would encourage you to take Jake Raby's M96 rebuild classes.
Mobil 1 0w-40, and yes. I lost pressure coming out the Esses if you know Mid-Ohio. Car never stopped running, but if I went over 3000rpm it would shutter really hard. Guessing that’s the crank banging around against destoryed mains.
Old 04-24-2019, 01:58 PM
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Bummer, this is why when I saw my oil pressure go down at Blackhawk on the long sweeper after 5 or 6 laps to 2-3 bar and then pop back up again once I got out of the turn I decided to call it a day. That doesn't change things for you though. Best of luck, rebuilding one of these engines is not the easiest or cheapest thing to do, especially with lack of experience.
Old 04-24-2019, 02:28 PM
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Mobil 1 0w-40, and yes. I lost pressure coming out the Esses if you know Mid-Ohio. Car never stopped running, but if I went over 3000rpm it would shutter really hard. Guessing that’s the crank banging around against destoryed mains.
Man, why don't you just put in a ticket with Flat 6 Innovations down in Georgia? In the long run, you will be better off with the engine they "reconstruct".
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Man, why don't you just put in a ticket with Flat 6 Innovations down in Georgia? In the long run, you will be better off with the engine they "reconstruct".
Cost prohibitive. I’m 22 and currently trying to get a house. If I rebuild myself I can do things as I get money in.
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Originally Posted by The Metz
Cost prohibitive. I’m 22 and currently trying to get a house. If I rebuild myself I can do things as I get money in.
What does an engine from Raby cost?
Old 04-24-2019, 04:05 PM
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Jake told me if I could wait in line 12 mos and if 40k didnt scare me off (in a VM message) call him back.

Jake can be difficult. Good at what he doesnt but...

Needless to say I had another shop build my engine.

PS. At 22 I was racing a 2.0 914. Good on you.
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Originally Posted by The Metz
Cost prohibitive. I’m 22 and currently trying to get a house. If I rebuild myself I can do things as I get money in.
Congrats! It took me to the age of 32 before I could buy a house 1994 and in 1995 buy a new Chevy Tahoe...But I could not afford a Porsche until 6 months ago when I came across "The996 Roller" for $4K!
I still can't afford a Porsche but I got one anyway!
Good luck and do keep us posted on your progress.
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Sorry to see that. Good luck with your rebuild.
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drop a used 3.4 in there and take your time to rebuild your current engine. that way you don't lose the season. these cars driven hard, having a spare motor is not a bad idea.
Old 04-24-2019, 05:08 PM
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There are 2 questions you need ask yourself, to answer yourself:
1. Do you want to continue do track days with this car?
2. How much money do you have available to spend?

A reliable track engine is expensive, no way around it. From the looks of your canister, the crank is trashed. Your rebuild will require a new/good used one, likely best to start with a good used engine.
A reliable track engine will be $20k for a DIY effort with nickies, overbore, IMS Solution, head work, etc
To outsource, it only goes up from there.


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