MoeMonney

I was wondering if you think there is a market for a singer inspired restored early 996 at an affordable price.

The concept Im thinking would have:

1. Upgraded engine, 3.6 or 3.8 with oil system upgrades like deep sump and baffle.

2. Restored interior and exterior with the buyers preference in materials (alcantara etc.) in certain limited areas.

3. Restored and updated suspension. Polybushes and Ohlins DFV coilovers.

4. Updated lighting, Litronics with high end bulbs.

5. Paint in the desired color

6. a choice of 2 wheel designs.

7. Porsche classic radio with upgraded speakers.

8. Limited slip diff

9. Exhaust system

10. Michelin PS4S tires or Sport Cup 2


The car would have a thorough inspection and all the areas would be addressed and restored so you could have a reliable restored 996 911.

Numbered plaque

All for $30,000. Yes I know people are thinking this price is not possible. But just assume it is please.



This is just a general idea. More would be adedd to the list. I think the 911 driving experience is wonderful and the 996 is a great platform to enjoy it in. Its clear many people cant tell a difference between an nice early 996 and a new 991 so it could be a great way to enjoy the 911 experience at an affordable price.

What do you think? Would you buy something like this and choose your colors and options?


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Montychristo128

Good luck accomplishing all that for $30k and having any profit left. I'm not sure that the market will ever be ready for a Singer 996 or an RWB 996. Maybe an Electric 996, now there's a plan.

billh1963

The engine alone is $30K.

That being said, is there a market for something like this? I'm sure there would be. Albeit, probably a small market.

MoeMonney

I was expecting people to say the engine alone is 30k. But assuming it can be done like I mentioned. All for 30k or less. Do you think theres a market for 12 a year?

cds72911

If you can build a Singer-esque semi-custom 996 for $30K all-in, please sign me up as your first customer.

Like others, I don't think it is possible to do it in a profitable way.

I'd sure love to be the owner of one if you can do it.

strathconaman

I think you would have to go farther than what you have here. Singer sells cars because they are truly special, not because they are very good 964 backdates.

You need to go all the way, and charge an appropriate amount for it.

Then again, the RPM Technik CSR is almost exactly what you are proposing:

https://www.total911.com/sales-spotl...996-csr-retro/

Ask them how many they sell per year.

MoeMonney

Yes Im aware of the RPM CSR program. I like the concept very much. The thing is that its more than 30k for one of those and also they dont offer an engine upgrade. The idea is to achieve a semi custom reliable, enjoyable 911 experience.

gnat

+996

The real question is if there is any market for a $400k+ 996 that is completely customized. I think the answer is, not remotely.

The answer to the asked question (solid and super clean 996 for $30k) is obviously yes. It's obviously yes because we know there is already a market for the described motor (see Jake's year long back log). It is also obviously a yes because we all know that you couldn't accomplish all that for $30k. Even at $40k (which is a more likely number) you still wouldn't be able to pull enough profit out of it to make it worthwhile and at $40k you are in 997 and 996TT territory which greatly reduces the potential market.

rogazilla

Jake's 3.8
Suspension tuning
Interior customization with options for customer
Exterior design and replaced panel with carbon fiber or other material to create a brand signature piece.
Priced accordingly probably looking at 6 figures to separate from the rest of the 996's

cds72911

UK based, starting at 27K British pounds - $35,000 USD. Guessing the base model doesn't include a larger engine like the OP posted, and is likely a la carte pricing starting there.

Again, I don't think there is a way to do it for $30K as specced above, except maybe if it was DIY, even then, I think it would be hard to do.

But it would be cool if you could.

Edit - I completely agree with Gnat.

MoeMonney

Well, like I said assuming there is a way, there would be a market. Thats what I wanted to know.

Paul Waterloo

Yes. There would be a market without a doubt.

Heck, I'm already have the 99 with the aero package and I would think it would cost at least $30K for a respay in the same color and a rebuilt motor.

Chris(MA)

One of my favorite quotes from a business guy berating a guy for losing money:

"you can sell $10 notes all day long for $9"

Yes there is a market for that car for $30k

dporto

While ^this^ is all well and good, there's nothing "Singer like" at all in there. Profits aside, there's good reason why Singer's cost $500k plus... Not to be snarky/derogatory, but the fact that you can even suggest that you can do anything even remotely similar for $30k demonstrates that you really don't understand the Singer concept or build quality

Dr_Strangelove

Yeah I'm having a hard time with the "Singer style" and "affordable cost" thing as well. To come close to being a Singer clone you're going to have to completely reupholster the interior with fine hand work which alone would cost more than double the cost of the donor car...

If you're saying "could I modify 996's with suspension & tuning and then turn them around for $30k?" I'd say no... because that's essentially what we're all doing on our own dime. Add a new motor and it's a far cry from 30.