Mahler9th

The PRC doesn't control who gets NASA licenses. We do have a bit of a screening process. We can do a little more in this regard because of our relationship with NASA and our small "umbrella."

Again, we are not a sanctioning body, just a group of like-minded enthusiasts in a non-profit organization.

NASA is on top of this... post #114 may provide some insight if I hypothesize.

If you look at how that car classed itself, it is GTS4, so it wasn't even in a PRC class. NASA region is listed as Florida.

I suspect that the driver(s) don't have an IMSA license as is assumed in this thread. The other two factory car guys that joined the group were out at Sears Point today running under IMSA sanction, but just because this white car was a factory car doesn't mean it was an IMSA car, et cetera.

In past racing rules related threads about driver conduct and passing et cetera, I have encouraged folks in these forums to download and read our rules, and I think some have even been posted. We take them seriously.

And NASA take things seriously too.

My experience around that white car was limited to the race start on Saturday. Not an overt violation, but a questionable start. That is why I said something to our race steward/race director.

I encourage folks not to paint all folks driving factory iron with the same brush.

In this case, we may never get told what happened or who was in teh car, or what NASA hands out as judgement. We WILL know what the PRC hands out as judgement... well we kind of already know.

Love that Miata... hope to meet the driver and see the car in person at our October event at Sears Point. Looks like Tony and Joe have had their hands on it. Maybe the driver is a Trackjunkie?

Curious about those Hoosiers...

Everyone should always remember how difficult it is to communicate subtleties in forums.

winders

I am not talking out my ***.

Were are not talking new racers here. These are people with licenses from organizations which NASA has a reciprocal relationship.

We do the same thing as "the talk with Susan Shire". All racers that have not raced with us go through our orientation before they can race with us. We watch people on track too as they are in a probationary period until the race director is comfortable with their driving.

PCA checks references? They didn't when I called. SCCA didn't ask. Nor did NASA.

Again, sometimes you don't know a squirrel is a squirrel until they do something squirrelly.....especially when it is a reciprocal license situation. But I guess you don't want to accept that.

morsini

Manda Racing

Can I get some input on the BMW driver and his driving? Was he holding his line? Moving from left to right into the middle to get around the turn? Perfect position on the left? And he was holding tight inside ?

I read all the 160 posts and only a couple mention the BMW.

I'm thinking of club racing again but I'm "More than a little rusty." Said Dave Rey (?) from HOD.

winders

The BMW driver was indeed deliberately moving to the right to, I assume, get a better line into turn 1. When contact was made, there was just a little more than car width between me in the yellow car and the BMW that was hit.

I am sure that fact will open a whole 'nother can of worms here.

Rick

It's possible that you know less than Winders about racing but it's clear you know much more about being a good human being, engaging in healthy dialogue and and someone many of us would welcome to see in the track.
You don't need to apologize at all..your comments were constructive and seeking to understand. Keep it up.
Don't let Winders' consistent pattern of contending for Jerk of the Week deter you furthering your passion for the track.

MarinS4

The BMW driver is a well known local who runs a clean race. He was on his way to the NASA nationals at thunder hill next month. He was in first place in that race (class) and was leading in points for the season.

I don't see anything with his line that would indicate he intentionally pinched off the 69 driver.

This one lays squarely on the shoulders of the cup car. That move was just one of many bad moves by the driver in the race.

996FLT6

So the yellow car stated hemoved to far right to allow mr 69 to pass -so begs the question did you lift off the gas ie your car slowed down? Mr 69 was very close to your rear bumper when he made the pass. Mike

mr965

Nope. Nothing changes the fact that his race suit is too tight.

MUSSBERGER

He looks like an overstuffed burrito

987part

Lmao

ProCoach

Hey, I resemble that remark (although not the on-track and off-track behavior)!

Bull_D

mark kibort

i dont get it.... i saw him in your race struggling, a 1:51, but then with winders, he runs a 1:40??????????whats up, was he scrubbing tires?

mark kibort

Mike, did you even read what i wrote? (please read it again!) I raced with PRC at the inception born out of the chariot racing series, and then the Porsche BMW challenge, where we all ran under NASA as i said, but there was some control of the race group that PRC has regarding qualifications and behavior. So dont go high and mighty on me. where am i "wrong"??? PCR might not be a sanctioning body (never said this) nor issue licenses but they act like one under the NASA umbrella (as was said) as winders said ,
this means that PRC acts like a sanctioning body. they choose how racers act on the track, as well as who can race with them. sounds very similar, no?

what i said was absolutely true, so please tell me how it isnt! i was only suggesting, that PRC issue a novice license for their subgroup in NASA events. I think NASA even gives people novice licenses. Either way, it was a suggestion to help new drivers to the group to have to be more careful as they will be watched more carefully and judged. It might prevent this kind of careless behavior as i suggested.