What is so Special About these Cars?
08-10-2017, 03:39 PM
#136
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Oh great! Now that image is gonna be stuck in my head the rest of the day, as I focus on my TPS reports, so I can somehow scrimp together the $137.50 loan payments.
08-10-2017, 04:28 PM
#137
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I keep thinking about how cool this would be. I did some back of the envelope calculations. With an entry fee of $3k and $500/year annual dues multiplied out over 200 members, we could build a tidy little fleet along with a nice garage to store them in and money for maintenance and upkeep.
We could get 8 cars (with an average cost of 50k ) and still have a 200k left over for garage space. $500/year in dues would allow 12.5k annually for each car to cover maintenance, insurance and taxes for the car and for the garage.
Average cost of 50k would allow for some pretty cool cars, for example:
- 911 SC (30k)
- 911 Carrera (40k)
- 993 (40k)
- 996 Turbo (40k)
- 996 GT3 (60k)
- 997 C4S (50k)
- Boxster or Cayman (20k)
- ?
Or it could be a completely different mix. Early members get to vote and choose
.
The goal would be to get drivers, not garage queens and then keep them in great shape for members to use.
We could offer credits back for members who can help with maintenance along with classes and other events to help those who want to learn more about the cars.
Ok maybe I'm thinking about this too much...
Does it seem like a cool idea to you guys?
We could get 8 cars (with an average cost of 50k ) and still have a 200k left over for garage space. $500/year in dues would allow 12.5k annually for each car to cover maintenance, insurance and taxes for the car and for the garage.
Average cost of 50k would allow for some pretty cool cars, for example:
- 911 SC (30k)
- 911 Carrera (40k)
- 993 (40k)
- 996 Turbo (40k)
- 996 GT3 (60k)
- 997 C4S (50k)
- Boxster or Cayman (20k)
- ?
Or it could be a completely different mix. Early members get to vote and choose
.The goal would be to get drivers, not garage queens and then keep them in great shape for members to use.
We could offer credits back for members who can help with maintenance along with classes and other events to help those who want to learn more about the cars.
Ok maybe I'm thinking about this too much...
Does it seem like a cool idea to you guys?
08-10-2017, 04:40 PM
#138
Three Wheelin'
08-10-2017, 05:27 PM
#140
Racer
Simply Put, It's all Relative, For me, Nothing Drives, Handles (Coupe Wise) or Feels like it. I have own Many, Many awesome cars, but I always sell them, never sold any of my 911's - My M5 (2003) was one of the best cars period, but I always found myself grabbing the key of one the my 911. You can say what you want, do as you will, for me, it will only be Porsche, I love them, never let me down, ever! in 34+ years driving them.
08-10-2017, 07:01 PM
#141
Rennlist Member
I keep thinking about how cool this would be. I did some back of the envelope calculations. With an entry fee of $3k and $500/year annual dues multiplied out over 200 members, we could build a tidy little fleet along with a nice garage to store them in and money for maintenance and upkeep.
We could get 8 cars (with an average cost of 50k) and still have a 200k left over for garage space. $500/year in dues would allow 12.5k annually for each car to cover maintenance, insurance and taxes for the car and for the garage.
...
Does it seem like a cool idea to you guys?
We could get 8 cars (with an average cost of 50k) and still have a 200k left over for garage space. $500/year in dues would allow 12.5k annually for each car to cover maintenance, insurance and taxes for the car and for the garage.
...
Does it seem like a cool idea to you guys?
I'd be interested in one in Utah (since I live there) although not right away as I just received a new 911 and wouldn't want to drive anything else quite yet!
08-10-2017, 07:10 PM
#142
Rennlist Member
I haven't bothered to look at this thread in a week; some of us have to work!
I can see that school is still out and mom and dad haven't yet restricted internet access to the kids yet. Bravo for all of your posts, thank you very much (from the OP).
I still own all of my cars, including my 996 TT, which is up on a lift and hasn't been driven in 3 or 4 weeks. My reason for that has nothing to do with this car, just that a few of my other ones are due for annual service visits and oil changes, and I only have so much time to drive cars. Aren't you jealous? Some of us actually have real work to do, so there is only so much time to spend driving cars. The rest of the time needs to be spent working, to pay for all of this stuff.
Eat your heart out, youse guys with your monthly payments.
I can see that school is still out and mom and dad haven't yet restricted internet access to the kids yet. Bravo for all of your posts, thank you very much (from the OP).
I still own all of my cars, including my 996 TT, which is up on a lift and hasn't been driven in 3 or 4 weeks. My reason for that has nothing to do with this car, just that a few of my other ones are due for annual service visits and oil changes, and I only have so much time to drive cars. Aren't you jealous? Some of us actually have real work to do, so there is only so much time to spend driving cars. The rest of the time needs to be spent working, to pay for all of this stuff.
Eat your heart out, youse guys with your monthly payments.
Yet... good conversation so...
08-10-2017, 08:52 PM
#143
Simply Put, It's all Relative, For me, Nothing Drives, Handles (Coupe Wise) or Feels like it. I have own Many, Many awesome cars, but I always sell them, never sold any of my 911's - My M5 (2003) was one of the best cars period, but I always found myself grabbing the key of one the my 911. You can say what you want, do as you will, for me, it will only be Porsche, I love them, never let me down, ever! in 34+ years driving them.
Couple of things out of your post:
1 - was your M5 and E39? If so I agree entirely - such an amazing GT cross country driver, with one of the best engines ever built, and a chassis that totally belies its 1850kg weight. I'm selling mine to make room for the 911 (only so much shed space....).
2 - how many 911s do you have considering you've never sold one in 34+
years?
And with regards to the OP, whose main beef was the buying process: when you are looking to buy a classic car, one of the more enjoyable bits is the search for that right one. Think yourself lucky you have so much choice in the US - here in NZ there is only ever a handful of examples to choose from, and if you want manual , a finger or two usually!
To quote Wayne Carini (Chasing Classic Cars), the thrill is in the chase!!
08-10-2017, 10:42 PM
#144
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I wouldn't call it special unless it saves my life or has been with me since day one. Since none of the above has not happened, yet, I would call it appreciation rather than special. Maybe in 10/15 years where there are so few of us 996 Forum members left that will make us SPECIAL instead
Appreciation #1:
$23 a month auto insurance full coverage in CA with 100k/300k $2k colision deductible on a 2002 Cab. I am sure there are others on here that have cheaper insurance.
Appreciation #2:
Handles well especially with 19" for relatively cheap.
Appreciation #3:.
Much much easier to wash and wax compare to the SUV and the mini van.
Appreciation #4 - 100:
See appreciation #1.
Appreciation #1:
$23 a month auto insurance full coverage in CA with 100k/300k $2k colision deductible on a 2002 Cab. I am sure there are others on here that have cheaper insurance.
Appreciation #2:
Handles well especially with 19" for relatively cheap.
Appreciation #3:.
Much much easier to wash and wax compare to the SUV and the mini van.
Appreciation #4 - 100:
See appreciation #1.
08-10-2017, 11:04 PM
#145
Three Wheelin'
Google exotic car fractional ownership and you'll see this is indeed a thing. You're talking a Porsche only version and a target mean price that's much more on the affordable end - perhaps that's new. Another common arrangement is to do points like a time share and have everyone provide a car as their buy-in so you can always have something in the garage.
I'd be interested in one in Utah (since I live there) although not right away as I just received a new 911 and wouldn't want to drive anything else quite yet!
I'd be interested in one in Utah (since I live there) although not right away as I just received a new 911 and wouldn't want to drive anything else quite yet!
I can see how used driver-level 911s could make this more affordable than an exotic fractional. The entry price is lower, maintenance is lower and the cars are very robust and long lived.
For usage, there would be an average of 2 weeks of usage available per member. We could use a calendar solution to reserve your time.
Wintertime in Utah would make things complicated though... that reduces number of useful days considerably.
I should probably create a new thread for this...
08-11-2017, 02:50 PM
#146
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I think you're trying to quantify something that can't be quantified. A great example is my '68 Jaguar XKE, which has cost a fortune to restore. Mine is a coupe and wont fetch the silly money the OTS cars bring, but the cost of maintenance and parts etc is the same. So, why buy a car that performs worse than almost any decent modern car out there??.......personal choice due to history, legendary marque, favorite car when one was younger but couldn't afford to buy one then etc etc.
The 996 is ino, THE best value Porsche of any designation, almost ever. My car looks almost as good as it did the day it came out of the showroom, and it's worth about 1/4 of the original price. Point is that this same car could easily pull almost $100k whe it was new becasue people felt it was worth it, for performance, marque significance, ststus etc etc. IMO, nothing has changed.
The 996 is ino, THE best value Porsche of any designation, almost ever. My car looks almost as good as it did the day it came out of the showroom, and it's worth about 1/4 of the original price. Point is that this same car could easily pull almost $100k whe it was new becasue people felt it was worth it, for performance, marque significance, ststus etc etc. IMO, nothing has changed.
08-11-2017, 02:52 PM
#147
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08-11-2017, 02:58 PM
#148
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08-11-2017, 03:13 PM
#149
Burning Brakes
