mmporsche

I have an 80K mile 1998 C2S that I bought a few years ago. It was a tip that I converted into a manual with a 29K donor 6 speed car. I have good records back to new and it lived its life in SoCal so good history.

The car has an accident listed on carfax, minor rear quarter. The car has Bilstein HD shocks and is lowered and cornered balanced. During the tipectomy I had the motor gone through and resealed and anything of potential failure was replaced. This included a 993 cup LSD, golden rod, short shift and I am sure many other items i am forgetting.

I like the car but i have never really connected with it like my other P-cars. I still have my 964 turbo and love that car and guess I am trying to make the 993 feel as fun. The 993 is a little slow for me so I was thinking about gutting the interior and having an RS carpet kit installed along with removing the rear seats and maybe some light weight RS style seats and door cards. My thinking is if I can remove some weight it will feel a little more like my earlier air-cooled cars. I would also toss on some new exhaust , probably Fister cans, to make it sound better since stock is rather uninspiring. I may eventually rebuild the motor into a 3.8 beast but that is likely a few years away.

I know the value of these cars is relatively high so that is my hesitation. Should I just say **** it and do what I want or leave it stock and potentially sell it in the spring.

Foxman

Srcew the value, and make it your car. RS carpet in process.

mmporsche

Hey Foxman, I see you also have a Zenith Blue 993. Relatively small world.

That is the direction I am leaning. I wish I could get more power out of the stock motor without a major rebuild. Living at 5,280 feet really zaps the power. Especially when all the fun roads I like to run are in the mountains and even highter.

clib

A few years back i was in same situation. But turbo prices had (i thought at the time, boy was i wrong) gone to outrageous levels and i wanted to stay with a 993. So i had a TPC supercharger and intercooler added which could be completely reversible at any time. Total cost wasnt exactly cheap but it added about 100rwhp and totally transformed the car, lotsa low and midrange power and has been completely reliable including many DE days. It has made the car something i have not gotten bored with in the 5 years since doing it

good luck. But life is short to keep something you arent loving.

Bill

u7t2p7

It's already too far from stock (with the tipectomy). For the money, a regear of the tranny to euro spec seems to be the consensus vs. the 3.8. Lose the weight as you suggested and a few other common tweaks to boost HP a bit. And add a Fister Stage 3 exhaust...it will at least sound faster too.

Foxman

Ive enjoyed following your tipectomy. I seem to recall you removed an aero wing as well, which may actually be lighter than the split grill with motor. The RS carpet with rear seat delete will shave off about 55 lbs. assuming you don't install dynamat or MLV. I'm installing dynamat, MLV and some jute, so the weight savings is only about 30 lbs.

A great place to shave off weight is the seats. The sport seats weigh about 60 lbs. each. Tillet's B1 seat weighs about 8 lbs.

Replacng the stock cats with Fabspeed Sportcats will also shave off a few pounds, and add ten horsepower.

vincer77

Go for it - just don't do anything irreversible and keep the stock parts.

flyingchappy

Just do it! Love that color.

Zeus993

I'm in the same position. Have a beautiful C2S (Bert Leemberg's car) that is bone stock but I long to make it a bit more badass. I've toyed with wheels, seat belts, Fister's etc... but never pulled the trigger. Maybe it's the colour (Ocean Blue Metallic over Classic Grey) or the fact that it's a VERY clean un-modded car that stops me.

This being said, I am going to tighten up the shifting with a Golden Rod and SSK. These are both very "acceptable" mods within the Porsche community and will not hurt it's value (IMO), just make a better driving experience.

Keep us posted!

168glhs1986

Having a stock car you can't mod is like having a hot girlfriend you can't.......

Tlaloc75

I'm at altitude too and I understand what your are saying regarding power. I think a supercharger would be a great way to go if you want to take it to the next level. Whether its fair or not, that's a mod that will hurt long term value.

Have you considered a suspension update? I've found that most of the fun of the car is in the handling. When I refreshed the suspension it increased my enjoyment a huge amount. For me personally, if I have enough power to enter/exit each corner at an enjoyable speed then I'm satisfied.

For instance, a Miata struggles to maintain speed and you really have to focus on momentum. A 993, even at altitude, is great fun and has enough power to push the chassis hard.

The other option is to take the occasional run to lower altitudes - its like getting a supercharger for free .

TRINITONY

1) Add TPC supercharger - totally reversible.
2) Sell and buy a Boxster and drive the crap out of her.

BlackSnake99

Or buy faster motorcycles. Nothing like a ride on a fast bike to put almost any road car in perspective.


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1996 C2 blk/blk
2012 Audi TT RS (daily)
2015 Audi S5 Cab (wife's)
2006 Ford F350 PSD
1986 Jeep CJ7
2016 KTM 1290 SA
2010 KTM 450 EXC

Notables sold:
1999 Dodge Viper GTS
2006 BMW K1200S
1983 944
2012 Subaru WRX/STi wagon
2005 CTS-V
1988 Honda CBR1000
1980 Suzuki GS750E

OverBoosted28

Nothing feels faster than being on a bike, as it's going down. It multiplies the perception of speed, you see your path of impending doom, as "that one turn" is approaching much faster than it ever had. Yes bike are fun as heck, but having been "down" 3 times, I know they're death. Just imagine all of the complete morons, that negatively affect your daily commute. Do ya really want the take away your protective shell? :-)

M. Schneider

Hey mmporsche -
Which 993 G50 gearbox or model year car was the 6-speed donor gearbox from?

Agreed: The negative effect of 5280' elevation's "thin air" on the 3.6l specific output is hard to off-set or reverse. And even greater to offset its effect at higher elevation where the killer 2 lane road mountain twisties are ....

Edit: Elevation effect on specific output of a N/A internal combustion gas engine; Rule of thumb is neg. -3% spec. output for every 1000' elevation. Example: Say Denver's 5280' elevation would have a neg. -15% effect. A Vail driveway elevation of 8,200' would be close to neg. -24% spec. output loss...

In an effort to return the throttle response character that is lost - the shorter gear ratio's of a MY96 G50 did the trick. - Put it this way, it went a long way in putting a shine on the otherwise dull throttle response. While the shorter/closer ratio's byway of the gearbox swap isn't a silver bullet, the coupe's drive character at 1,200' N. Georgia elevation is not that far off the drive character at 5,280' and not as bad at 8,200' in Colorado. Elevation/Output only sucks less.

Your welcome to have a drive of my coupe starting in May, as the coupe is in Colorado for the Summer/Fall.
The 993 C2S is "spirited" in contrast to today's vehicles. It was never quick, fast.