Deja Vu all over again...longish
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Deja Vu all over again...longish
Went by my favorite private dealer where I've bought two of my past three 911s. They have a manual 996 I'll take out tomorrow to see how much I really miss that vs the tiptronic. I like the tip but I don't have full confidence in it. In the mean time they have a ridiculously cheap 2006 997 S...almost a clone of the one I had and that I sold after only three months. Seal gray, sport seats, 19s, sport chrono, sport exhaust, etc. Except this one has 165k miles. They just got it in and it hasn't been through their shop to check it out...but I fired it up and sat inside and played with the switches and the nav system, etc.
It only took two minutes for me to re-experience everything I didn't like about the 997 I sold, and why I went back to the 996.
I don't really have any problems with the exterior of the 997. It is not as distinctive and unique as the 996, but I could live with it, and the color is nice but not something that makes me drool. However the 19s would have to go...they add nothing but unnecessary expense when you want new tires and they are much more prone to damage than 18s. But I'm sure I could swap for 18s and make myself happy.
Sitting in the car and facing that awful looking interior had me grinding my teeth. I realized I could not enjoy a long trip facing 1970s Datsun Z car pimp white gauges, or the cheesy faux aluminum center console and its chaotic layout and the just plain ugly steering wheel. All I could think of is how much it reminds me of the Ford Fiesta. The non-S versions of the dash are not as offensive and seem more subdued.
The 996 interior is much better looking...sedate and classic...the tools you need and easy to operate.
At last I started the engine and that cheesy (yes cheesy again) sport exhaust barked to life...like a prematurely balding fat teenager on Viagra. What on earth is Porsche trying to prove, that they know how to make loud noise? The experiment was over. I handed my friend back the key.
Driving home in my 3.4 996, the engine had a classical Porsche flat six sound, not one boosted by audio engineers. Certainly I was under powered compared to the 997S...but not really that much. Knifing my way through traffic, keeping the engine in that 4000 to 5000 rpm sweet spot...I easily had all the power I needed for city and even highway driving.
So now it is just a matter of staying with the tip, or going back to a manual. But definitely staying with a 996.
It only took two minutes for me to re-experience everything I didn't like about the 997 I sold, and why I went back to the 996.
I don't really have any problems with the exterior of the 997. It is not as distinctive and unique as the 996, but I could live with it, and the color is nice but not something that makes me drool. However the 19s would have to go...they add nothing but unnecessary expense when you want new tires and they are much more prone to damage than 18s. But I'm sure I could swap for 18s and make myself happy.
Sitting in the car and facing that awful looking interior had me grinding my teeth. I realized I could not enjoy a long trip facing 1970s Datsun Z car pimp white gauges, or the cheesy faux aluminum center console and its chaotic layout and the just plain ugly steering wheel. All I could think of is how much it reminds me of the Ford Fiesta. The non-S versions of the dash are not as offensive and seem more subdued.
The 996 interior is much better looking...sedate and classic...the tools you need and easy to operate.
At last I started the engine and that cheesy (yes cheesy again) sport exhaust barked to life...like a prematurely balding fat teenager on Viagra. What on earth is Porsche trying to prove, that they know how to make loud noise? The experiment was over. I handed my friend back the key.
Driving home in my 3.4 996, the engine had a classical Porsche flat six sound, not one boosted by audio engineers. Certainly I was under powered compared to the 997S...but not really that much. Knifing my way through traffic, keeping the engine in that 4000 to 5000 rpm sweet spot...I easily had all the power I needed for city and even highway driving.
So now it is just a matter of staying with the tip, or going back to a manual. But definitely staying with a 996.
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I've never actually sat inside a Ford Fiesta, but now I get what it must feel like.
Thanks for yet another free association justification of why you sold your 997.
That is, if you actually ever owned one...
Thanks for yet another free association justification of why you sold your 997.
That is, if you actually ever owned one...
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Totally agree. A sports car should not need fake exhaust gimmickry. I've had my 996 just over a month and can't keep it out of the 3-6K rpm range as the exhaust note and pull of the motor are just so addicting!
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I've never experienced a stock 997 exhaust, though my dad does have an 06 S. I believe he's got a fabspeed setup on it, and I think it sounds amazing, better than the fabspeed setup I had on my Boxster S. I have to say though, as much as I absolutely adore my 996, I think the 997 is just much more well built. The interior, while looks are definitely subjective, seems a little more cockpit like to me, which is just a feeling I like. The seating position is just night and day compared to my 99. In my car I feel like I'm a giant cramed into it, like I'm almost riding on top of the car instead of in it. In my dad's 997 I feel planted in it, again that cockpit feeling. Now he also has an 03 996 cab that he'll be selling soon (it has a full engine rebuild by flat6 I believe), and the seating in there actually feels a bit better than my car, but not quite as good as the 997. Driving the 997 the rear end doesn't feel nearly as heavy as mine does, also the front end seems to dance less, all around it just feels a bit more planted and stable, almost like the engine was closer to the middle of the car than over the ****. But all in all I absolutely love my 996. Even though she's a 99 she has .2 headlights, areo, ducktail, etc. I love the raw simplicity of it, down to the cable operated throttle and the cable operated frunk and engine compartment lid. No nanny aids, just three pedals, a stick, and a wheel. The stock exhaust, while lacking the burbles and pops and roar of the fabspeed I had on the boxster, does let me hear more flat six rawness. Yup, she's a keeper
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I was referring to the new Fiestas...and I know they can actually be fun to drive but the center console is like a tsunami of plastic lunging out at you. The little yellow one in you picture looks like it could be a great little street fighter.
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I also found the sport chrono package less than usfull...except with a tiptronic. The sport mode ride was too harsh for LA streets and the normal mode was too soft. The old school solution was to just get more aggressive shocks and keep the springs stock. The rest was up to the driver.
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"Driving the 997 the rear end doesn't feel nearly as heavy as mine does, also the front end seems to dance less, all around it just feels a bit more planted and stable, almost like the engine was closer to the middle of the car than over the ****."
^^^Sounds like your '99 might need a little suspension work...
^^^Sounds like your '99 might need a little suspension work...
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