991.2 GT3 Manual
10-28-2016, 06:35 PM
#16
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by bronson7
...but PAG sure did it when customers wanted to order PTS
But I also think it's dependent on your dealer : when the dealer called me to let me know my allocation for the GT4 is in,they've also told me I can't get buckets. I told them I won't take the car without them and they've switched my allocation to a later date just so I can get them. Really good dealer.
for all the good dealers out there!
10-28-2016, 06:40 PM
#17
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I think your confusing PDK with sequential+flippers. Hate to burst your bubble on a Friday but PDK is not a motorsport part. The 991 PDK evolved from the 997 CarreraS and TurboS.
Read on here:
http://www.autometricsmotorsports.co...-paddle-shift/
In the new issue of Total911 there polls favor manual transmission for 991.2.
Read on here:
http://www.autometricsmotorsports.co...-paddle-shift/
In the new issue of Total911 there polls favor manual transmission for 991.2.
10-28-2016, 07:13 PM
#18
Instructor
I'm not confusing anything Flat6, you are uniformed, no I'm being too nice, you're just wrong.
The PDK transmission was introduced as an option on the factory race prepped Porsche 962 C in 1985. Derek Bell won the World Championship in a 962 equipped PDK in 1986. This PDK transmission had a lot to do with the dominance of Porsche in that era.
The PDK transmission was introduced as an option on the factory race prepped Porsche 962 C in 1985. Derek Bell won the World Championship in a 962 equipped PDK in 1986. This PDK transmission had a lot to do with the dominance of Porsche in that era.
10-28-2016, 07:27 PM
#19
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Yes, I am aware of the history of PDK, where is it campaigned in any 911 including the 991? I am just pointing that out
I'm not confusing anything Flat6, you are uniformed, no I'm being too nice, you're just wrong.
The PDK transmission was introduced as an option on the factory race prepped Porsche 962 C in 1985. Derek Bell won the World Championship in a 962 equipped PDK in 1986. This PDK transmission had a lot to do with the dominance of Porsche in that era.
The PDK transmission was introduced as an option on the factory race prepped Porsche 962 C in 1985. Derek Bell won the World Championship in a 962 equipped PDK in 1986. This PDK transmission had a lot to do with the dominance of Porsche in that era.
10-28-2016, 07:30 PM
#20
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10-28-2016, 07:47 PM
#21
Instructor
Of course flat6.............I assume most everyone on this site knows that the "street' GT3, RS you purchase from a dealer is not the same transmission that's in a current Cup car or whatever. All I'm saying is that the PDK transmission in the current GT3's and RS' is a direct descendant of the PDK developed in the 80's as a race part.
The 991 GT3, RS PDK evolved from the 956 and 962 Group C race cars in the 80's and not as you say the 997 Carrera S and Turbo S.
The 991 GT3, RS PDK evolved from the 956 and 962 Group C race cars in the 80's and not as you say the 997 Carrera S and Turbo S.
10-28-2016, 08:06 PM
#22
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Not to get in a pissing match with you but early pdk from the 962/956 have nothing in common with todays version other than it was a dual clutch.
Here is a excerpt from a pdk article in issue 226 of excellence:
"Porsche had limited success on the racetrack with the PDK, as it was very bulky and complicated, with many reliability issues stemming from both the electronic and hydraulic systems. Weissach engineers also installed versions of the PDK in several prototype road cars, but the engineers did not consider it ready for primetime given the limited electronics technology of the day and its lack of refinement for road use.
In the last decade, the necessary technical advances in electronics and hydraulics have come to fruition, and Porsche finally released the production version of the PDK for the 2009 model year 911 and Boxster/Cayman models."
In other words the 991 PDK is an evolution of the 997 PDK, I do agree it is a decedent of the 962 as it is under the Porsche umbrella . You can have the last word.
Here is a excerpt from a pdk article in issue 226 of excellence:
"Porsche had limited success on the racetrack with the PDK, as it was very bulky and complicated, with many reliability issues stemming from both the electronic and hydraulic systems. Weissach engineers also installed versions of the PDK in several prototype road cars, but the engineers did not consider it ready for primetime given the limited electronics technology of the day and its lack of refinement for road use.
In the last decade, the necessary technical advances in electronics and hydraulics have come to fruition, and Porsche finally released the production version of the PDK for the 2009 model year 911 and Boxster/Cayman models."
In other words the 991 PDK is an evolution of the 997 PDK, I do agree it is a decedent of the 962 as it is under the Porsche umbrella . You can have the last word.
Of course flat6.............I assume most everyone on this site knows that the "street' GT3, RS you purchase from a dealer is not the same transmission that's in a current Cup car or whatever. All I'm saying is that the PDK transmission in the current GT3's and RS' is a direct descendant of the PDK developed in the 80's as a race part.
The 991 GT3, RS PDK evolved from the 956 and 962 Group C race cars in the 80's and not as you say the 997 Carrera S and Turbo S.
The 991 GT3, RS PDK evolved from the 956 and 962 Group C race cars in the 80's and not as you say the 997 Carrera S and Turbo S.
10-28-2016, 08:51 PM
#23
Instructor
"Pissing match", whoever lists their cars/possessions is driving their *****. You just don't get it, anyone can do a quick Google search, cut and paste. You are also one who likes to have the last word, after this I'm done.
The first PDK I believe was a 5 speed in the 956 Group C race car. All, comprehend, all, PDK's evolved from this one. Just like all 911’s evolved from the 356 > 901…
Again, Porsche had significant success in the 80's with the 956's and 962's with a lot of credit given to this PDK gearbox. You obviously like to search the internet, Google what Derek Bell had to say about the transmission.
The first PDK I believe was a 5 speed in the 956 Group C race car. All, comprehend, all, PDK's evolved from this one. Just like all 911’s evolved from the 356 > 901…
Again, Porsche had significant success in the 80's with the 956's and 962's with a lot of credit given to this PDK gearbox. You obviously like to search the internet, Google what Derek Bell had to say about the transmission.
10-28-2016, 09:04 PM
#24
Race Director
i like sword-fights.. and here is the RIGHT answer.
the pdk, from a basic concept perspective with 2 clutches was based on the group c race car, true.
The modern pdk, is strictly a road-based transmission though, and IS derived from a road car.. but it's actually the Bugatti Veyron (not any modern Porsche).
You're both wrong, I'm right.. now here is a great video I'm gifting you for playing:
the pdk, from a basic concept perspective with 2 clutches was based on the group c race car, true.
The modern pdk, is strictly a road-based transmission though, and IS derived from a road car.. but it's actually the Bugatti Veyron (not any modern Porsche).
You're both wrong, I'm right.. now here is a great video I'm gifting you for playing:
10-28-2016, 09:38 PM
#27
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Hmm, all interesting stuff ^^^
Oh and 3 pedals for me. I like 2 pedals, especially at the track but I drive the car on the street more then the track so I want the extra involvement the 3 pedals provide.
Oh and 3 pedals for me. I like 2 pedals, especially at the track but I drive the car on the street more then the track so I want the extra involvement the 3 pedals provide.
10-28-2016, 10:14 PM
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I find this as a good explanation
A direct-shift gearbox (German: Direkt-Schalt-Getriebe), commonly abbreviated to DSG,is an electronically controlled dual-clutch multiple-shaft manual gearbox, in a transaxle design – without a conventional clutch pedal, and with full automatic, or semi-manual control. The first actual dual-clutch transmissions derived from Porsche in-house development for 962 racing cars in the 1980s.
A direct-shift gearbox (German: Direkt-Schalt-Getriebe), commonly abbreviated to DSG,is an electronically controlled dual-clutch multiple-shaft manual gearbox, in a transaxle design – without a conventional clutch pedal, and with full automatic, or semi-manual control. The first actual dual-clutch transmissions derived from Porsche in-house development for 962 racing cars in the 1980s.
10-28-2016, 10:34 PM
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It (PDK) first appeared in a testing capacity as a five-speed in the 956 race car in 1983 before later migrating to the 962 , in which it won its first race at Monza in 1986.
10-28-2016, 10:41 PM
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Besides requiring a learning curve, PDK was only reliable in the sense that it would reliably explode every so often, chucking shafts, gears, actuators, and the like all over the racetrack.(
) It’s said that each time Porsche tracked down a problem and fixed it, something new went wrong. This character flaw ultimately delayed its deployment in a production car for a number of decades, although that’s not to say Porsche didn’t try and put the PDK in customers’ hands before then. There were several attempts, from a test fitment to a 924S to a production-intent integration of PDK into the 944 Turbo. A 968 equipped with PDK was nearly readied for sale before ZF’s Tiptronic was called in to pinch hit, and a stillborn successor to the 959 (dubbed 969)
) It’s said that each time Porsche tracked down a problem and fixed it, something new went wrong. This character flaw ultimately delayed its deployment in a production car for a number of decades, although that’s not to say Porsche didn’t try and put the PDK in customers’ hands before then. There were several attempts, from a test fitment to a 924S to a production-intent integration of PDK into the 944 Turbo. A 968 equipped with PDK was nearly readied for sale before ZF’s Tiptronic was called in to pinch hit, and a stillborn successor to the 959 (dubbed 969)