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Old 10-07-2016, 09:06 AM
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Default Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 and low temperatures

I would like to know how MPSC2 are handling low temperatures on track.
It's getting cold in Europe but I'm still willing to do some laps.
On the Michelin website, it is only mentioned to no use tires below 0°C.

So what happen if I go on track with temperatures around 9°C ?
Less grip, more wear? But anything really harmful?

I hope you can share some experience or knowledge on that !!
Old 10-07-2016, 09:33 AM
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Cold & Dry: not harmfull and good to drive; @10°C comaprable to normal UHP-Tyres after a few warm up curves
Cold & Wet: drivable but with much less grip than warm/wet oder cold/dry
Old 10-07-2016, 10:31 AM
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Just like Cay_Pi said. Yesterday at 5°C in the morning at Spa they were perfectly fine. I went out on street pressures, took my time to warm them up for a few laps, stayed off the curbs. Just regular behavior really for first laps out in the morning. Then come in and drop the pressures.
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Thanks for the feedback guys!
Too bad I didn't ask before, I could have do even more laps, haha!
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I just did 4 laps on Nordschleife. 5-6 celsius and wet except from Hatzenbach to Aremberg. So in the wet It was as usually slippery where slippery but when entering the dry parts I had good grip. Drove slower then normal I guess but anyway.

The tire pressure increased with 0.3 bar on all four corners.

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Old 10-10-2016, 04:39 PM
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Porsche says that? 32ºF would be suicidal even with max summer tires, let alone Cups. The big problem is before their optimal temperature, tires usually give out without warning (the colder they are, the easier it gets), and THAT is the danger. I'm sure some of you have found that out even on a hot day before they get to full operating temperature. I would NEVER risk my car at a track on a cold day, especially without a tire temp gauge (like McLarens) and some feedback on minimum temps, but that's just me.
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Originally Posted by elp_jc
Porsche says that? 32ºF would be suicidal even with max summer tires, let alone Cups. The big problem is before their optimal temperature, tires usually give out without warning (the colder they are, the easier it gets), and THAT is the danger. I'm sure some of you have found that out even on a hot day before they get to full operating temperature. I would NEVER risk my car at a track on a cold day, especially without a tire temp gauge (like McLarens) and some feedback on minimum temps, but that's just me.

Easy to say when living in Texas :-)
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In my experience with the Cups on the 91RS, no problem on track in low temps and damp condition's, see below Silverstone last Nov and 4d.....

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Cups, Spa Francorchamps, +1 Celsium, rain + wet snow.

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Old 10-10-2016, 08:49 PM
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^^^great pic
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Spa in the wet, miss that...
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This from Michelin themselves...
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:33 AM
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At temperatures below 7 Celsius you will definitely struggle and have less predictable handling. Of course, if you are careful enough you can eve drive in 10cm of snow, but it's good to be aware of the tyre performance under cold conditions.

In the wet, I tend to set my front ARB to soft or even completely loose so you can control the car with the rear rather than just skating off the track through understeer. Also good to stay off the race line, mainly close to the apex, where there is most rubber on the track.

Overall I agree though that the Cup2 are credibly good in cold and/or wet. Just be extremely careful with standing water. So many cars just fly off on the straights at high speed when hitting a puddle or stream. Really nothing you can do when that happens.
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I took these stills from a video someone sent me a while back . The cgt in question is me , freezing cold spa track day , cup 2's no tc (obviously )

Below 8 degrees c they are just more fun at lower speeds but far from undrivable

Have no qualms about sensible use in the cold / wet on track . Beware standing water and that's about it





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