Rennlist SLOW
10-18-2005, 11:43 AM
#16
Burning Brakes
If you post a FAQ with the following answers you can eliminate half the posts immediately:
1. The V1 is the best radar detector. Stop asking.
2. Install the clear side markers and shut up.
3. Either break in your car per the owners manual or just dont. Its up to you.
That should elinate hundreds of posts this month alone.
On a serious note, I also agree with OCBen. Someone should send a PM to John and alert him to this thread.
-adam
1. The V1 is the best radar detector. Stop asking.
2. Install the clear side markers and shut up.
3. Either break in your car per the owners manual or just dont. Its up to you.
That should elinate hundreds of posts this month alone.
On a serious note, I also agree with OCBen. Someone should send a PM to John and alert him to this thread.
-adam
10-18-2005, 11:47 AM
#17
Originally Posted by OCBen
Its nice to be generous and all for those who need help, but Porsche owners are not exactly of the indigent variety that need a charitable handout to get by in life. If they are so poor that they can't afford to pay less than 5¢ a day, then they have no business posting their 2¢ worth!
10-18-2005, 11:48 AM
#18
Nordschleife Master
Now I think we are getting somewhere. How about for "trial members" (non Rennlist Members) they can:
1. Post up to "x" number of posts before required to join or just lurk
2. No pictures, avitars, etc, until joining.
3. No PM use until joining.
4. Offer 3 month memberships ($5)
Any more ideas?
....I just want to make it clear that I enjoy the input from several of the non-apying members and would like to see them stick around but if they can't step up as well, then this site will continue to grow and continue to slow down. Remember the 80/20 rule? I bet it holds here as well.......80% of the $$$ contibuted by membership is done by 20% of the people.
One more example. then I will submit.....we had a track event this past weekend and I asked why for the first time lunch wasn't catered in? Answer: Because it was costing about $600-700 and the "throw some money in the jar" concept wasn't working. How much on average were they collecting? You guessed it! LESS THAN A $100! Pathetic. There will always be the contigent that doesn't want to pay and like riding the coatails of those that are.
1. Post up to "x" number of posts before required to join or just lurk
2. No pictures, avitars, etc, until joining.
3. No PM use until joining.
4. Offer 3 month memberships ($5)
Any more ideas?
....I just want to make it clear that I enjoy the input from several of the non-apying members and would like to see them stick around but if they can't step up as well, then this site will continue to grow and continue to slow down. Remember the 80/20 rule? I bet it holds here as well.......80% of the $$$ contibuted by membership is done by 20% of the people.
One more example. then I will submit.....we had a track event this past weekend and I asked why for the first time lunch wasn't catered in? Answer: Because it was costing about $600-700 and the "throw some money in the jar" concept wasn't working. How much on average were they collecting? You guessed it! LESS THAN A $100! Pathetic. There will always be the contigent that doesn't want to pay and like riding the coatails of those that are.
10-18-2005, 12:55 PM
#19
Originally Posted by OCBen
It's nice to be generous and all for those who need help, but Porsche owners are not exactly of the indigent variety that need a charitable handout to get by in life. If they are so poor that they can't afford to pay less than 5¢ a day, then they have no business posting their 2¢ worth!
I also think banning posting for non-paying users would be a bad idea. I think it would be better to let people here post and after they have come familiar with Rennlist they pay for a membership.
10-18-2005, 01:01 PM
#20
Banned
The 3 month membership is a bad idea. The transaction cost of processing $5 versus $17.95 is the same, but the accounting costs of keeping track of payments go up. If you're going to go through the trouble of processing a payment, why not just pay the full amount and be done with it. ... This is pocket change we're talking about here. Most of us blow more than that in the first hour at a sports bar!
10-18-2005, 01:03 PM
#21
Burning Brakes
What about $99.95, or some other fee, to be a 'lifetime member' - - this would be an easy way to raise capital quickly - especially from those that are already members.
10-18-2005, 01:08 PM
#22
Professor of Pending Projects
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
Anyone here has PMed John to see this thread? I am positive he is aware of the problems as he was putting a few more chipmunks in the spin wheel to improve the system the other day... ...but would be good to drop him a note (let me go ahead and do that...)
On the non-members issue... I like the system the way it is now. That is how I started (non paying contributor for a year). I posted questions as well as answers. The advantage of the membership (outside of showing true support for the site) is the ability to post photos, search, signature and avatar, and the satisfaction of belonging
So I joined. Best money spent.
On the non-members issue... I like the system the way it is now. That is how I started (non paying contributor for a year). I posted questions as well as answers. The advantage of the membership (outside of showing true support for the site) is the ability to post photos, search, signature and avatar, and the satisfaction of belonging
So I joined. Best money spent.
10-18-2005, 01:08 PM
#23
Banned
Originally Posted by Rassel
I also think banning posting for non-paying users would be a bad idea. I think it would be better to let people here post and after they have come familiar with Rennlist they pay for a membership.
As LVDell pointed out, if you rely on people to pitch in on their own, you'll always come out short.
This is really a marketing issue. And providing incentives to make a purchase is really at the core.
10-18-2005, 01:11 PM
#24
Banned
Originally Posted by 1080iAddict
What about $99.95, or some other fee, to be a 'lifetime member' - - this would be an easy way to raise capital quickly - especially from those that are already members.
10-18-2005, 01:17 PM
#25
IMO, the only way to monetize a site like rennlist is through targeted advertising on focused traffic. There are many vendors in the Porsche marketplace that would love to reach us and that's where the real money is. Straightforward solution with GOOG and YHOO exist, however, many other things could be done. Adding any kind of restriction on the user just degrades the site value.
Now, is it the case that Rennlist is slow because of lack or server? Or is it that the current computer architecture reached its scalability limits?
JohnD, if you read this. I'm familiar with both monetization of online sites and performance and scalability issues. Feel free to pm me if I can be of any assistance.
AW
Now, is it the case that Rennlist is slow because of lack or server? Or is it that the current computer architecture reached its scalability limits?
JohnD, if you read this. I'm familiar with both monetization of online sites and performance and scalability issues. Feel free to pm me if I can be of any assistance.
AW
10-18-2005, 01:40 PM
#26
Banned
Originally Posted by AW
IMO, the only way to monetize a site like rennlist is through targeted advertising on focused traffic. There are many vendors in the Porsche marketplace that would love to reach us and that's where the real money is. Straightforward solution with GOOG and YHOO exist, however, many other things could be done.
On free broadcast TV you expect and even tolerate being bombarded with advertisements. After all, that is what is paying for those "free" broadcasts. On commercial free programming, such as HBO, you expect and are willing to pay for uninterrupted, advertisement free, quality programming.
It's bad enough that we got bombarded with animated advertisements wherever we go on the internet, as it is. As soon as you clutter this site down with distracting advertisement, you'll kill the goose that laid the golden egg - that'll be the end of Rennlist as we know it today.
10-18-2005, 02:26 PM
#27
In my opinion, reducing the available features for non paying users and asking people to pay in general is not a good idea for web communities. The intrinsic value of these communities is derived from the number of users and and what they can do (post, share pictures, ask questions, etc...) any limitation will result with a less valuable online community.
Some sites already embed google advertisement in message boards. Check out s2ki.com as an example. I don't find these very disruptive, yet they yield several thousand dollars to the site owner monthly.
Further, more subtle advertisement embedded in threads could be implemented. We know that people here on rennlist all have a strong interest for Porsche cars. We also know that many companies shamelessly plug their product in our threads. All I'm suggesting is a system that let these companies pay for the exposure.
I believe that a good ad system for Rennlist would not only let the owner scale the system but also would let him realize a well deserved profit.
AW
Some sites already embed google advertisement in message boards. Check out s2ki.com as an example. I don't find these very disruptive, yet they yield several thousand dollars to the site owner monthly.
Further, more subtle advertisement embedded in threads could be implemented. We know that people here on rennlist all have a strong interest for Porsche cars. We also know that many companies shamelessly plug their product in our threads. All I'm suggesting is a system that let these companies pay for the exposure.
I believe that a good ad system for Rennlist would not only let the owner scale the system but also would let him realize a well deserved profit.
AW
10-18-2005, 02:44 PM
#28
I think this site is great and I am going to be a member in a couple of days. After my ebay auctions end tonight and get some cash in the PayPal account. BTW, anyone here interested in bidding on 1/18 Porsche diecasts?
10-18-2005, 03:18 PM
#30
Banned
Originally Posted by AW
In my opinion, reducing the available features for non paying users and asking people to pay in general is not a good idea for web communities. The intrinsic value of these communities is derived from the number of users and and what they can do (post, share pictures, ask questions, etc...) any limitation will result with a less valuable online community.
Originally Posted by AW
Some sites already embed google advertisement in message boards. Check out s2ki.com as an example. I don't find these very disruptive, yet they yield several thousand dollars to the site owner monthly.