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Old 10-14-2015 | 03:05 PM
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YIKES! If those are his words, don't let him ever make an oil choice for you.
0W will help with cold start flow, as it has a lower viscosity/pour point vs 5W.
W30 is a lower viscosity then W40 and offers less hot viscosity/protection/film strength vs a W40.
Run a 0w40 or 5w40 year round.

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I run in my car Liqui Moly 5W-40

We were just having an "informal" conversation and I asked him what could prevent scored cylinders.

He uses Titan Oil pics attached...



His words "... "0w" would be better for winter because it has more viscosity and would stay longer, "30" would not be a problem due to the "summer" we had.. very mild..."

This oil would only stay in for winter... Not saying I will do it... Just trying to stir the pot, like iceman said...

I purchased the 996 as a beater, maybe not the appropriate car for the winter, but is MY appropriate car to drive... Not planning "not" to use it, thats why its a C4S.

Of course Im trying to prevent any "possible" damage.
Old 10-14-2015 | 03:07 PM
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+1, this is the main cause.

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Cylinder wall scoring has nothing to do with the oil. It's primarily due to incorrectly toleranced piston-cylinder clearances and poor coatings from the factory. It is amplified by cold weather.
Old 10-14-2015 | 03:10 PM
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I'm a life-long Castrol guy, will continue as long as the specs stay good
5w50 Castrol Edge in my GT2 (+the other Mezger 911's) for 3-season use.

Originally Posted by jumper5836
Same here, also have a buddy that tests all his oil during oil changes. Castrol had great results vs much more expensive oils and mobil 1 was one of the worst. I use Castrol 5w40 in all my 3 Porches and mix 5w40 in with 5w50 with the car I track with
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Old 10-14-2015 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 993GT
W30 is a lower viscosity then W40 and offers less hot viscosity/protection/film strength vs a W40.
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thicker!= more protection
Old 10-14-2015 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 993GT
YIKES! If those are his words, don't let him ever make an oil choice for you.
0W will help with cold start flow, as it has a lower viscosity/pour point vs 5W.
W30 is a lower viscosity then W40 and offers less hot viscosity/protection/film strength vs a W40.
Run a 0w40 or 5w40 year round.
Rob, I didnt understand your point on "40" and "30".
The 40 in a 5w-40 simply means that the oil must fall within certain viscosity limits at 100°C. This is a fixed limit and all oils that end in 40 must achieve these limits. Once again the lower the number, the thinner the oil: a 30 oil is thinner than a 40 oil at 100°C etc. This is just for hot temps
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Nice data Rob, thanks for sharing. Although I don't regularly use Castrol (I buy everything through worldpac for convenience as I run my shop stuff through there), I highly recommend it, for whatever that's worth...

I use Motul for most WC Porsche stuff now, it is recommended by Porsche and LN Engineering. (But this is only because somebody got paid somewhere along the line.)
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Originally Posted by breakfast
thicker!= more protection
Yes but thinner = faster! Just don't go too thin... lol
Old 10-14-2015 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonathon Rolstin
I use Motul for most WC Porsche stuff now, it is recommended by Porsche and LN Engineering. (But this is only because somebody got paid somewhere along the line.)
This is a very good point to make. most shops arent pushing a certain brand because its the "best". Some money was exchanged at some point

Even the porsche approval list is subject to procedural and monetary bs. Its not like Porsche is actually testing all these oils
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Exactly.
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That's exactly my point. No idea why the mechanic would be recommending a W30...I can understand the push for a 0W for winter use, but not lowering the hot weight/viscosity...
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Rob, I didnt understand your point on "40" and "30".
The 40 in a 5w-40 simply means that the oil must fall within certain viscosity limits at 100°C. This is a fixed limit and all oils that end in 40 must achieve these limits. Once again the lower the number, the thinner the oil: a 30 oil is thinner than a 40 oil at 100°C etc. This is just for hot temps
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Originally Posted by breakfast
This is a very good point to make. most shops arent pushing a certain brand because its the "best". Some money was exchanged at some point

Even the porsche approval list is subject to procedural and monetary bs. Its not like Porsche is actually testing all these oils
So for winter specs, what would be the best choice?
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Originally Posted by 993GT
That's exactly my point. No idea why the mechanic would be recommending a W30...I can understand the push for a 0W for winter use, but not lowering the hot weight/viscosity...
He didnt push the "30 or 40", he just said 0w-30, and I agree why not 40?

However the point was, as it is not very hot in the summer, the "30" would be ok....

But again, we are talking for winter drive
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Thanks!
I can't beat the performance/value that Castrol offers.
Like Motul products but the can be expensive(I lean towards frequent intervals vs 'boutique' fluids).
In the case of Porsche recommending Motul, I wonder if its less about marketing this time around, and more as fight against/C.Y.A. for the various engine wear issues they've been having...Motul is good oil...

Originally Posted by Jonathon Rolstin
Nice data Rob, thanks for sharing. Although I don't regularly use Castrol (I buy everything through worldpac for convenience as I run my shop stuff through there), I highly recommend it, for whatever that's worth...

I use Motul for most WC Porsche stuff now, it is recommended by Porsche and LN Engineering. (But this is only because somebody got paid somewhere along the line.)
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W30 is in general too thin...alternatively you could argue 5w50 is too thick(actual cold viscosity) for cold weather use, although the added residual film strength might provide initial start-up protection...
All watercooled 911's use a oil to water heat exchanger, our oil temps are very consistent for street use regardless of outside temps/climate.


Originally Posted by Mr Fish Tank
He didnt push the "30 or 40", he just said 0w-30, and I agree why not 40?

However the point was, as it is not very hot in the summer, the "30" would be ok....

But again, we are talking for winter drive
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Originally Posted by Mr Fish Tank
So for winter specs, what would be the best choice?
I would lean to a 0w40 or 5w40 (I like mobil 0w40 more than its 5w40)....however if you want to run a quality 0w30...German Castrol 0w30 probably the only one I would entertain for this application. Its very near the 40 weight range when up to temp and has very good low flow properties. The oil has a cult following for a reason.

CT sells it in 1 liter containers only. Says "made in germany" on the back.


Not my endorsement to use it, that is ultimately up to you. Do i think you will hurt your engine running it? absolutely not.



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