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Old 08-13-2015, 03:38 PM
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Default Porsche and Audi..joint new engines…..

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/in...and-v8-engines

Hopefully the flat sixes will not be part of this trend……...
Old 08-13-2015, 09:43 PM
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I'm with you on that.
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Might as well just buy an Audi then.

Porsche is begining to feel less and less exlussive.
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A telsa or i8 would be more exclusive.
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Most people don't care what make is under the hood as long as the engine is reliable.
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Originally Posted by jumper5836
A telsa or i8 would be more exclusive.
I'm with you on the Tesla... I'm very excited for the Model 3. The Model S is a beautiful car and I would definitely buy one if I had the money. Model 3 is more up my alley financially though.

I see the Model 3 doing to cars what the iPhone did to cell phones... but that's just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Jonathon Rolstin
I see the Model 3 doing to cars what the iPhone did to cell phones... but that's just my opinion.
Furthering built in obsolescence, new car every 2 years.
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Originally Posted by Jonathon Rolstin
I see the Model 3 doing to cars what the iPhone did to cell phones... but that's just my opinion.
...not in our lifetime unless there's a Black Swan battery breakthrough. Inadequate range, weight and economics will ensure petrol power remains the predominant fuel for decades to come. The market share of all electric and hybrid cars has plunged to under 0.7% from a high of about 3%. A friend of a friend is having to replace a Tesla battery after 7 years at a cost of $25,000 US. That's worse than an IMS failure!
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Originally Posted by ronnie993tt
...not in our lifetime unless there's a Black Swan battery breakthrough. Inadequate range, weight and economics will ensure petrol power remains the predominant fuel for decades to come. I think the market share of all electric and hybrid cars has plunged to under 1% from a high of just under 3%. A friend of a friend is having to replace a Tesla battery after 7 years at a cost of $25,000 US. That's worse than an IMS failure!
There goes the $25k in fuel savings down the drain
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Originally Posted by ronnie993tt
...not in our lifetime unless there's a Black Swan battery breakthrough. Inadequate range, weight and economics will ensure petrol power remains the predominant fuel for decades to come. I think the market share of all electric and hybrid cars has plunged to under 1% from a high of just under 3%. A friend of a friend is having to replace a Tesla battery after 7 years at a cost of $25,000 US. That's worse than an IMS failure!
25k, wow guess were going to see a rash of car break-ins to steal batteries. The bmw i8 looks like a better option.
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Originally Posted by jumper5836
25k, wow guess were going to see a rash of car break-ins to steal batteries. The bmw i8 looks like a better option.
....or unexplainable fires!
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Originally Posted by ronnie993tt
...... A friend of a friend is having to replace a Tesla battery after 7 years at a cost of $25,000 US. That's worse than an IMS failure!
No it isn't! Porsche jacked up the 996 engine price to over $50k
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Tesla is a toy electric second car for rich people. It has inadequate range to be the sole car for just about anyone, and the company isn't even close to being economically viable in the long term. Tesla loses over $4000 on every car it makes despite extremely generous subsidies from state and federal governments and a price tag north of US$80,000. It will remain a niche car dependent on corporate welfare handouts for the forseeable future.
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Originally Posted by Donster
Tesla is a toy electric second car for rich people. It has inadequate range to be the sole car for just about anyone, and the company isn't even close to being economically viable in the long term. Tesla loses over $4000 on every car it makes despite extremely generous subsidies from state and federal governments and a price tag north of US$80,000. It will remain a niche car dependent on corporate welfare handouts for the forseeable future.
So they lose over $4K per car?

From a business perspective how can that work? Or are they playing the long game ($25K for replacement batteries when the time comes!)?
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Originally Posted by Sniffer
So they lose over $4K per car?

From a business perspective how can that work? Or are they playing the long game ($25K for replacement batteries when the time comes!)?
Actually it's worse than that. They don't report using GAAP. I have no idea how they can get away with that, as a US corporation, but I'm not an accountant. They actually lose around $15000 per vehicle.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle25903294/

The really interesting part:

"Tesla reports its finances in a different way from the Detroit automakers. Using the generally accepted accounting principles, or GAAP, used by GM or Ford, Tesla’s operating losses per vehicle have steadily widened to $14,758 from $3,794 in the second quarter of 2014."


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