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Drifting
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From: Toronto, C eh! N eh! D eh!
>I know I can enter the corners faster
NIEN!!! Don't worry about that... the speed will come after you feel more comfortable with the line...
I find driving a car is similar to down hill skiing. It's hard to feel to skis really work until you are going fast and/or you are on a steep hill. Your 997 is very capable... pick-up the speed and you will feel better.
In turn 8, you have a HUGE margin to work with... like 60-70km/h until it starts getting ugly...
I am surprised your instructor isn't asking you to add more speed so you can feel the car work.
Keep at it... you are doing great!
Drifting
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From: Toronto, C eh! N eh! D eh!
Your turn into 1 is starting to early. You are holding the car at the apex too long, and running out of track at the exit because your coming in to tight. To adjust, keep your brake point the same, but after you release the brake, pause, then turn-in... after you get used to that, then move your braking point forward. It's the safe way to do this...
IMHO, after the apex cone in the vid, your inside tires should almost be on the apron... this allows for a much more straight exit.
In turn 1, are you full throttle from apex to turn 2?
Sounds like you can have more throttle sooner in 5B... but it may just be the video and my interpretation.
Jonathan, I know you are a good guy, so I think you can take this the right way. You are a G-*****!! Meaning, you love to feel the corners. Stop it. Release the car sooner. You will pick up a lot more speed as you learn to release the steering sooner. In turn 1,2, 3, and 10 you can release the steering more and sooner starting AT the apex, and this will help you build and carry speed.
Look-up!!! I can really make it out from the video, but you are doing a few things that makes me believe you need to pick your eyes up and look further down the track when you are driving... You are looking to much in front of the car.
Finally, you are leaning your head into the corners. With your head turned sideways funny things happen with your sight and ear balance. Keep your head straight and don't lean into the corners. The straight head makes you feel slower and more in control...
Hope this helps... Just want you to drive faster and safer!
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Race Car
Joined: Nov 2009
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From: Ottawa
Absolutely you may! I was smiling the entire time I read your post!
Thank-you, I'm glad you said so because otherwise I would have assumed I was taking turn 1 perfectly - it hadn't come up as a place to work on (although, I guess every corner is a place to work on!). I will keep this in mind.
Yes, foot is to the floor. It may not sound like it because I am in 4th gear so it doesn't rev up as fast. But if I downshift to 3rd before turn 1, I am way too high in the rev range and am pretty much redline on exit.
I agree... my instructor said that a few times. Rolstin is getting on the throttle way earlier I notice in his vids.
Another thing my instructor was saying almost every lap (mostly in turn 3). I need to learn to release the steering and use the throttle to bring the car out to exit (right?). I didn't realise I needed to do that in 2 and 10 as well, but can see how that would help me pick up speed.
Hehe.. I actively tell myself this as I drive. In fact, I like how at some events they remove the cones in the final sessions, as I find I am less inclined to look at them and therefore forced to look ahead at where the car should be going. Need to erase orange from my sight!
Interesting, this is completely new. Reviewing the vid I can see what you mean. I will focus on keeping straight.
Are you instructing next spring!?
Your turn into 1 is starting to early. You are holding the car at the apex too long, and running out of track at the exit because your coming in to tight. To adjust, keep your brake point the same, but after you release the brake, pause, then turn-in... after you get used to that, then move your braking point forward. It's the safe way to do this...
IMHO, after the apex cone in the vid, your inside tires should almost be on the apron... this allows for a much more straight exit.
IMHO, after the apex cone in the vid, your inside tires should almost be on the apron... this allows for a much more straight exit.
Yes, foot is to the floor. It may not sound like it because I am in 4th gear so it doesn't rev up as fast. But if I downshift to 3rd before turn 1, I am way too high in the rev range and am pretty much redline on exit.
Jonathan, I know you are a good guy, so I think you can take this the right way. You are a G-*****!! Meaning, you love to feel the corners. Stop it. Release the car sooner. You will pick up a lot more speed as you learn to release the steering sooner. In turn 1,2, 3, and 10 you can release the steering more and sooner starting AT the apex, and this will help you build and carry speed.
Are you instructing next spring!?
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Race Car
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From: Ottawa
What app/system is this? It's very clean, and I am guessing syncs with your gopros? I like it!
Drifting
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From: Toronto, C eh! N eh! D eh!
Another thing my instructor was saying almost every lap (mostly in turn 3). I need to learn to release the steering and use the throttle to bring the car out to exit (right?). I didn't realise I needed to do that in 2 and 10 as well, but can see how that would help me pick up speed.
Are you instructing next spring!?
Are you instructing next spring!?
The trouble at Mosport is that the corners flow so much, you become inclined to link them by making smooth transition... but this can hurt your exit speed. The places that scare the hell out of my at Mosport are the entrances into 3, and 5a. After you learn to carry the speed, it feels like you are going Mach 9 in those areas... but back to the subject. Don't worry about positioning for the long turn-in for corner like 2, 3, and 4... they turn-in for those is very forgiving on position, but crucial you make a solid apex on throttle.
Note: The apex cones in DE are not the fast apexes, they are the safe apexes!
I am trying to do more racing then lapping next year... but let me know when you are going lapping. I will bring my kids out to see the cars and I would be happy to help out if I can...
Racer
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You are not driving the car to the apex... you are feet wide of the apex in almost every turn as a result. You will feel MUCH better with your turn in when you drive to the apex,
>I know I can enter the corners faster
NIEN!!! Don't worry about that... the speed will come after you feel more comfortable with the line...
I find driving a car is similar to down hill skiing. It's hard to feel to skis really work until you are going fast and/or you are on a steep hill. Your 997 is very capable... pick-up the speed and you will feel better.
In turn 8, you have a HUGE margin to work with... like 60-70km/h until it starts getting ugly...
I am surprised your instructor isn't asking you to add more speed so you can feel the car work.
Keep at it... you are doing great!
>I know I can enter the corners faster
NIEN!!! Don't worry about that... the speed will come after you feel more comfortable with the line...
I find driving a car is similar to down hill skiing. It's hard to feel to skis really work until you are going fast and/or you are on a steep hill. Your 997 is very capable... pick-up the speed and you will feel better.
In turn 8, you have a HUGE margin to work with... like 60-70km/h until it starts getting ugly...
I am surprised your instructor isn't asking you to add more speed so you can feel the car work.
Keep at it... you are doing great!
As for the apexes, I was trying to get close but not too close since we were strictly told not to touch the rumble strips and I was just driving the line that my instructor wanted me to. I guess other instructors might want me to drive slightly differently but the one I had for the weekend was mainly focused on smoothness in my inputs which I thought was appropriate for a first timer. The last couple sessions my instructor felt comfortable enough with my driving to start increasing the speed and he said I wasn't going nearly fast enough to get into too much trouble so I should gradually work up to faster speeds. We both agreed that T8 was one area where I need the most work and since I wasn't WOT for the whole back straight I wasn't coming in with as much speed as one would normally. I hope to improve these areas next time. My instructor said my line was pretty good elsewhere - which turns in particular do you think I need the most work besides T8?
Racer
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What did you use for your telemetry in your video?
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Good advice throughout that post.
I find I had a hard time with head leaning and struggled to break myself of the habit. I will have to review some video to see if I still do it at all, I try not to.
For me it comes from years of motocross racing, it makes me instinctively lean into corners.
Porsche0Nut, the oversteer in 5 looked fun.
Overall I had a good weekend. It will be interesting to see how next season goes, the groups are getting really big.
I find I had a hard time with head leaning and struggled to break myself of the habit. I will have to review some video to see if I still do it at all, I try not to.
For me it comes from years of motocross racing, it makes me instinctively lean into corners.
Porsche0Nut, the oversteer in 5 looked fun.
Overall I had a good weekend. It will be interesting to see how next season goes, the groups are getting really big.
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Burning Brakes
Joined: Jan 2009
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Yes the oversteer was fun. Some great comments on this thread!
I am not too anxious to move up, but rather enjoying the time with different instructors. Also our run group was way better on Sunday since a bunch of people moved to white!
Can't wait for next season!
Cheers
I am not too anxious to move up, but rather enjoying the time with different instructors. Also our run group was way better on Sunday since a bunch of people moved to white!
Can't wait for next season!
Cheers
