I've done about 10 vehicles, and I've never had to give US Customs my bill of sale. I always get my title stamped, but I know a person who didn't and got away with it.

 

Customs wants the vin 72 hours to make sure money is not owed and car is not stolen. I emailed them for the last two cars I imported.

 

I was able to do that crossing into BC

But In the east you can't at least not any border near Quebec. Has to be the originals.

 

The NY-Ontario (Queenston-Lewiston) crossing, US side wants an emailed VIN 72 business before crossing but the Canadian side doesn't care if you did this or not. I asked them the last time I was bringing a car over in July. They said "We don't care what the US rules are" thats not their business.

 

Imo, what is your point? afaik you have to deal with the US side to get the stamp in order for the title to transfer, so the 72 hour rule applies. Are you saying something different? If you dont give them notice they won't stamp and then you will have trouble getting an Ontario ownership. Has something changed? As long as you have the stamp why would you even be discussing this with Canadian Customs?

 

Sorry if my post sounded abrupt. It was not intended to be.

 

What I'm saying is that the Canadian side doesn't care if you have the stamp or not. Yes you supposed tonvisit the US side first but the two sides do not work together. The Canadians don't care what regulations the US have, or at least that was the case in July.

 

ok. I thought you needed the stamp to transfer the title.

 

Imre is right. I accidentally missed the us office because of construction. I told them this at the Canadian side and they said they didn't care. I had no trouble getting the Ontario title.

 

There was a guy infront of me at the US side that forgot to get the Title stamped by the US side. He came back 3 days AFTER taking the car across the border. He would have been better off not coming back at all. The lecture they gave him was something else. It all would have went well if he was polite and nit arrogant. He kepts saying the wrong things until they sent him to a different room to deal with him later. The US side makes a huge deal about them checking the VIN but the Canadians couldn't care less. Thr care just as much about this as they do about having somone else's plates on the car. They told me "We are not the polce or US customs, we don't care what happens outside their jurisdiction"

 

I missed it too, registered car fine. Canada customs didn't care.

 

Looks like some new steps are here,

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...258064351.html

"Starting April 5, the exporter (seller) in the U.S. is required to file automated export system information. They have to report to the U.S. Census to tell them who they are, what they're sending, who it's going to, in a nutshell,"

"A fine up to $10,000, under the U.S. Census Bureau foreign trade regulations, can be levied for failing to submit the AES information."

"Once the AES filing has been completed, an internal transaction number (ITN) will be assigned"

"A potential problem is that to complete the AES filing, the U.S. seller is required to have a federal tax identification number called an EIN. Private individuals in the U.S. might not have an EIN number but, under the new rule, the American seller will have to get one to comply with the AES filing.

That means taking the time to apply to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, and some private sellers don't want to do that."

 

jcb928, a federal tax number (TIN) I believe is given to all US tax filers so most people should have em?

you're right in that this will probably make vehicle export more difficult as the Americans I've dealt with barely can buy stuff from outside the US without flipping their lids, let alone arranging to export a car.

Then again, there's nothing stopping you from paying for the car and taking it back to Canada without stopping over on the US side, unless you want to play nice by their rules (or plan on going back to the states with the car).

 

"a federal tax number (TIN) I believe is given to all US tax filers so most people should have em?"

I believe most tax filers just use a personal Social Security number to file.

Dealers would already have the number but it makes it tough dealing with private sellers.

 

The seller is not really considered an exporter. They are just a seller, nothing more. They buyer is the actual exporter or am I missing something?