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From: In a van down by the Ottawa River ...
Calabogie has evening sessions.
If you plan on 10-15 events (1 PCA DE event may be over 2-3 days, while open lapping is usually 1 day) in a GT3 or some similar type car, you will want to budget "at least" $12-15,000 for event fees, gas, brakes, rotors, fluids, tires, accomodations and meals.
If you plan on 10-15 events (1 PCA DE event may be over 2-3 days, while open lapping is usually 1 day) in a GT3 or some similar type car, you will want to budget "at least" $12-15,000 for event fees, gas, brakes, rotors, fluids, tires, accomodations and meals.
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Lopro, if you get a GT3, the number of track days you want to go to will get expensive really fast. I did 19 track days the first season and the total cost was almost $14k:
1 x Michelin Sport Cups = $2,400
1 x Toyo R888 = $1,800
19 x Average Entry Fees = $4,750 (mostly TMP, Shannonville and twice at Mosport)
1 x Pagid Yellow race pads = $850
19 x Average of 1.5 tanks of gas per event = $2,740
1 x Front Rotors = $750
Total cost for 19 events, not including any other wear/tear: $13,920
Please also keep in mind any damage you may incur by going off or hitting the hard stuff. I toned down my track days by using cheap tires (Toyo RA1's or old stock R888's) and by not going for FTD. Something that always shocks me is calculating an expense pre-tax. To spent $14k on track days, I need to earn $23k before taxes... At that level of expense, you can finance an entire year of karting!
1 x Michelin Sport Cups = $2,400
1 x Toyo R888 = $1,800
19 x Average Entry Fees = $4,750 (mostly TMP, Shannonville and twice at Mosport)
1 x Pagid Yellow race pads = $850
19 x Average of 1.5 tanks of gas per event = $2,740
1 x Front Rotors = $750
Total cost for 19 events, not including any other wear/tear: $13,920
Please also keep in mind any damage you may incur by going off or hitting the hard stuff. I toned down my track days by using cheap tires (Toyo RA1's or old stock R888's) and by not going for FTD. Something that always shocks me is calculating an expense pre-tax. To spent $14k on track days, I need to earn $23k before taxes... At that level of expense, you can finance an entire year of karting!
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From: In a van down by the Ottawa River ...
Lopro, if you get a GT3, the number of track days you want to go to will get expensive really fast. I did 19 track days the first season and the total cost was almost $14k:
1 x Michelin Sport Cups = $2,400
1 x Toyo R888 = $1,800
19 x Average Entry Fees = $4,750 (mostly TMP, Shannonville and twice at Mosport)
1 x Pagid Yellow race pads = $850
19 x Average of 1.5 tanks of gas per event = $2,740
1 x Front Rotors = $750
Total cost for 19 events, not including any other wear/tear: $13,920
Please also keep in mind any damage you may incur by going off or hitting the hard stuff. I toned down my track days by using cheap tires (Toyo RA1's or old stock R888's) and by not going for FTD. Something that always shocks me is calculating an expense pre-tax. To spent $14k on track days, I need to earn $23k before taxes... At that level of expense, you can finance an entire year of karting!
1 x Michelin Sport Cups = $2,400
1 x Toyo R888 = $1,800
19 x Average Entry Fees = $4,750 (mostly TMP, Shannonville and twice at Mosport)
1 x Pagid Yellow race pads = $850
19 x Average of 1.5 tanks of gas per event = $2,740
1 x Front Rotors = $750
Total cost for 19 events, not including any other wear/tear: $13,920
Please also keep in mind any damage you may incur by going off or hitting the hard stuff. I toned down my track days by using cheap tires (Toyo RA1's or old stock R888's) and by not going for FTD. Something that always shocks me is calculating an expense pre-tax. To spent $14k on track days, I need to earn $23k before taxes... At that level of expense, you can finance an entire year of karting!
Hey, not a bad guestimate on my part!!
Add to this the increased rate of oil changes as well brake fluid flushes you will need to do with tracking your car... and you will be pushing $15k....
+ overnighters, food and entertainment..... and it's plus, plus plus
Sheesh, maybe I should just sit in my hammock at the cottage all summer.... Naah!!
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very interesting info. Sounds about right. I am in, I will be there quite a lot this summer. Another big problem im having is if I dont plan to truck the car in (tow it) then what am I going to do with my track wheels and slick or track tires? Im guessing there is no place to store them nearby ? Nowhere to store them at the track?? Like a locker or something? I doubt it but I figured Id ask what other do
I dont know anyone nearby, I may need to start thinking about an trailer setup. It's a commitment thats forsure. I dont really do much else, My hobby has always been cars but I want to drive them above road level. So I figure taking the step towards doing it right. If I am not playing with cars I am working or with my woman.
I dont know anyone nearby, I may need to start thinking about an trailer setup. It's a commitment thats forsure. I dont really do much else, My hobby has always been cars but I want to drive them above road level. So I figure taking the step towards doing it right. If I am not playing with cars I am working or with my woman.
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What are you driving? Depending on car and wheel size, you might be able to fit track wheels inside. I've put all 4 plus a passenger in before. 2 in the back seat, 1 in the spare tire compartment and 1 on the floor in front of the passenger seat. Of course, the passenger had to ride with his feet on the wheel...
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what did you put these wheels in? a gt3 997? Id have a rollbar in the back seating area, I have been thinking of removing the pass seat just to try it out. maybe 18"would work but i mean.. i cring just thinking about it. Ill try it out and see what happends. Maybe i could get one of you guys that trailer to the track to carry it and I would pay you some gas or something??? we could meet up at the track whenever you go ~ at this point i dont know what else to do
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Lopro; if you want us to help with your situation, please tell us what car you have and where you live. perhaps we can make a suggestion with this info.
perhaps a tire trailer would work...some guys do this.
also are you planning on running 19" track wheels? probably not a good idea especially if you plan to do lots of trackdays.
also if you haven't done much track you may want to start with street tires anyway.
perhaps a tire trailer would work...some guys do this.
also are you planning on running 19" track wheels? probably not a good idea especially if you plan to do lots of trackdays.
also if you haven't done much track you may want to start with street tires anyway.
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lopro,
If i am correct and you are new to the whole track driving thing, for the first times (or even seasons) that you will be on track you won't need track tires, fancy setups etc. It is far better to learn proper driving skills and work on your abilities before you start making your car faster. It is actually better to be on street tires while you are learning as the limits are lower, and you can therefore learn more about car control at reasonable speeds.
Get out with a good group, with qualified instruction and then you will know what direction to go.
If i am correct and you are new to the whole track driving thing, for the first times (or even seasons) that you will be on track you won't need track tires, fancy setups etc. It is far better to learn proper driving skills and work on your abilities before you start making your car faster. It is actually better to be on street tires while you are learning as the limits are lower, and you can therefore learn more about car control at reasonable speeds.
Get out with a good group, with qualified instruction and then you will know what direction to go.
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From: In a van down by the Ottawa River ...
what did you put these wheels in? a gt3 997? Id have a rollbar in the back seating area, I have been thinking of removing the pass seat just to try it out. maybe 18"would work but i mean.. i cring just thinking about it. Ill try it out and see what happends. Maybe i could get one of you guys that trailer to the track to carry it and I would pay you some gas or something??? we could meet up at the track whenever you go ~ at this point i dont know what else to do
Regardless... I'd leave the passenger seat installed in whatever car you end up with wanting to take to a track.
If your recent postings and querries are any indication, at the minimum you will need class time, plus qualified "on track" instruction before anyone (or maybe just me....) would want to share track space with you in a solo run group.... just sayin'. It's where we all began
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I am in the middle of selling my 997.1gt3 and moving on to a 997.2 Not sure if I will opt for the .2gt3rs or just get the reg gt3. It will be a .2 that im sure of. The wheels will be my 18's
Im all for lessons..
I am almost sure they will not fit inside the car.
Im all for lessons..
I am almost sure they will not fit inside the car.
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.1 wheels won't fit center lock .2 GT car..... but you know that!
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I stuffed all 4 wheels into my 72 911. Two big differences between my setup and a 997 (well, there are actually quite a few, but with regards to wheels...): the wheels are 15x7/8, so much smaller, and the interior space on the older cars is a fair bit bigger than the newer cars. FWIW, we did manage to stuff 2 19" Fikses in the back of my dad's 996 turbo, and one in the passenger seat. It was tight and we had to be really careful not to damage the car. But really, that was a one-off where we were in a jam. For regular usage, you need a trailer of some sort.
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The instructor in the right seat is way more important than taking extra wheels.
You'll see why when you try it: they're a constant source of great information. As others have noted above, don't worry about tires yet because around the time you start noticing tire wear problems, your needs and equipment buying parameters will have changed dramatically.
You'll see why when you try it: they're a constant source of great information. As others have noted above, don't worry about tires yet because around the time you start noticing tire wear problems, your needs and equipment buying parameters will have changed dramatically.