Please help with this discusting situation - UPDATED WITH E-MAILS
07-09-2009, 09:18 PM
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I don't know you, but a fellow Rennlister here (me) has just reported that scum as a scammer/fraud...gotta stick it to morons like that.
Last edited by Nine11; 07-09-2009 at 11:45 PM.
07-09-2009, 10:46 PM
#19
Race Director
A certified cheque does not work this way. Guys were making their own stamps so years ago we stopped taking them.
07-09-2009, 10:53 PM
#20
Race Director
Chris: The banking lesson is well taken I am sure. At least in terms of the deposit this money or form of payment can be checked before the vehicle is paid in full. Perhaps final payment should be wired to a bank account set up especially for the sole purpose of selling your vehicle. What form of payment do you feel is safest for final payment?
I paid for my GT3 this way. From Royal Bank to a bank in Chicago ... took 15 min. Easy as pie.
After wire transfer every type of payment - cash, cheque, cert cheque, bank draft, credit cards etc. - all have different problems associated with them.
Cash - forgeries, get mugged by buyer's buddy or other person while carrying big wad
Cheque - bum cheques, stolen cheques, takes up to 20 business days to clear
Cert Cheque - bum cheque, closed account, guy made own stamp, takes up to 20 business days to clear
Bank Draft - forged amount, forged payee
Credit Cards - Stolen Cards, Fake Cards
You just gotta do your due diligence and ensure method of payment is genuine.
07-10-2009, 02:26 AM
#21
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Well guys,
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I have finally got home from work, and have put together the e-mails I received on this matter.
As I wrote, this ***** bag is looking to buy a Porsche, so this is to show you what kind of nuts there are out there, and watch out for this guy in particular.
My narration is in black bold.
The nut job is highlighted in red. He is the extratexture@XX.ca addy
My responses are in black.
The buyer who walked is in blue.
BTW, here is the link to my car on craigslist Toronto…
My 1988 928S4 add
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the first e-mail I got from the nut…
From: Extra Texture extratexture@XX.ca
To: sale-ngvxq-1253902807@craigslist.org <sale-ngvxq-1253902807@craigslist.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009
Subject: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
How can you verify the mileage?
this message was remailed to you via: sale-ngvxq-1253902807@craigslist.org
He called me at 8:26 am on the 5th. I answered his questions on the car. He seemed like an OK fellow, and wanted to come see the car. I told him that I was leaving town with work in a few hours, and we could put a meeting together at the next soonest time. So I sent him off an e-mail with the dates I could show the car, and directions on how to get to my house.
From: "Mike and Janine"<our e-mail.ca>
To: "Extra Texture" <extratexture@XX.ca>
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
> Hello again,
>
> It was good speaking to you on the phone, and I'm glad you called because
> there are more questions asked and answered then over e-mail.
>
> Our address is.
>
> XXXXXXX
> Cambridge, ON
> NXX XXX
>
> The easiest way to get here from T.O. is to go west on the 401 to
> Cambridge.
> Then take ……<DIRECTIONS TO OUR HOME>
>
> Once again, the dates that I would be available to show the car are.
>
> Tuesday the 7th. Wed 8th in the morning until 2pm. Friday the 10th in the
> morning until 2pm. Sunday the 12th until 4pm. Monday and Tuesday the 13th,
> and 14th. From Thursday the 16th until Saturday the 18th. Tuesday the
> 21st, and from Friday the 24th until the end of the month.
>
> I'm sorry for these tight windows to see the car, but I am extremely busy
> at work, and this is one of the reasons that I am not able to enjoy the
> car, and find myself selling it.
>
> If you have any other questions, please feel free to call.
>
> Thank you,
> Michael
I got this auto trader response.
From: Trader Info Services traderinfo@trader.ca
To: traderInfo <our e-mail.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009
Subject: Trader Info
Name: Buyer
Phone: (647)XXX-XXXX
Email: <buyers e-mail@rogers.com>
QuestionStill available?
I phoned the buyer, and he wants to come out on the 7th to see the car.
From: Extra Texture extratexture@XX.ca
To: "Mike and Janine” <our e-mail.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
Can't wait to see it.
From: "Mike and Janine"<our e-mail.ca>
To: "Extra Texture" <extratexture@XX.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
> OK, just let me know when you would like to put a time togeather to see
> the car.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
The buyer and his son show up in the morning of the 7th. He, and his son go through the car with me, test drive it, and he wants to buy it. He gives me a $1k deposit on it. He asks that I don’t show the car anymore. I agree, because he has given a deposit. I think the car is sold.
From: Extra Texture extratexture@XX.ca
To: Mike and Janine <our e-mail.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
Anytime at all.
From: "Mike and Janine" <our e-mail.ca>
To: "Extra Texture" <extratexture@XX.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
> Hello again,
>
> I am writing to let you know that my 928S4 has been tentatively sold
> pending payment in full.
>
> I have a deposit on it, and the buyer wishes that I not show the car until
> purchase next week.
>
> If something falls through, I will reply to see if you are still
> interested in coming to see the car, or maybe we can arrange to meet.
>
> All the best,
> Michael
From: Extra Texture extratexture@XX.ca
To: Mike and Janine <our e-mail.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
Most unfair as I was the first person to contact you and was willing to
immediately come out but you said not until next Sunday. I deserve first
crack
From: "Mike and Janine" <our e-mail.ca>
To: "Extra Texture" <extratexture@XX.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
> I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I gave the buyer the same list of
> days that I could show the car as I gave you, and he drove out yesterday
> morning with a large deposit in hand.
>
> I am in no way trying to offend you, or anyone else, I'm just doing my
> best to sell my car in the few days that I have free to do so. I'm sure
> that you can appreciate that selling a high performance specialty car has
> a relatively short summer window, and holding it for someone who has just
> committed to "come see the car" is unwise at best. Nor could I expect you
> to commit to the car without seeing, or driving it.
>
> I have had 5 or 6 guys that have called to say that they would be here at
> XX time, and then never showed or called back.
>
> Once again, I'm sorry you feel slighted by this news, but please ask your
> self what would you do in my shoes.
>
> If for any reason, this sale fall through. do you still wish to be
> notified?
>
> Best regards,
> Michael
From: Extra Texture extratexture@XX.ca
To: Mike and Janine <our e-mail.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
Again I told you we could come out the DAY it was posted and would buy it on
the spot and you said no it was impossible for you. This is NO WAY to
conduct business and I will post warnings about you and this car everywhere
you have it listed. This is a scummy way to do business and shows a complete
lack of character.
My S4 has been for sale for "2 or 3 weeks" at this point, and this nut was given the same dates to come see the car as the buyer. This also begs the question, if he wanted to buy the car on the spot, why then should eveyone else now be warned off the car? Why is the car now not to be purchased?
From: Mike and Janine our e-mail.ca
To: Extra Texture extratexture@XX.ca
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
> I have been more then reasonable in my dealings.
>
> Save your anger and insults for those who may care.
From: Mike and Janine our e-mail.ca
To: <BUYER> <buyers e-mail@rogers.com>
Sent Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 Porsche 928S4
> Hello <BUYER>,
> It was good to me you, and your son yesterday. I’m glad that my 928, that I have had and taken car of > for so many years, is going to someone that will appreciate it.
> I will be going through my house over the next few days (when home from work) to put together all >the extras that go with the car. I will send you a list of those items when I can.
> I will also put together receipts/manuals, and endeavor to put together a list of helpful info for the car > like helpful tips, web sites, and part suppliers.
> <BUYER>, I should be able to get the car certified on Monday the 13m, or the 14th at the latest. I’ll >also get the used car purchase package from the M.T.O.
> I have quite a few pictures detailing the modifications that have been done to the car over the years. > Do you what them? If so, I can pop them onto a DVD for you.
> Out of town for the next 4 days today, but if you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to e-> mail, or call to leave a message.
> Cheers,
> Michael
Now this is where it goes off the rails. ***** bag now puts craigslists add up on the internet warning people that I am dishonest, and I can’t prove the mileage. He also uses my name in the ad, and writes not to trust me, etc…
I feel I must tell the buyer that the ***** bag is making the slanderous posts. The buyer seems like a good guy, and I want to be honest with him. I think that if he saw these posts he would be very concerned (I guess I was right). I know I could have not done this, but i believe in honesty.
From: Mike and Janine our e-mail.ca
To: <BUYER> <buyers e-mail@rogers.com>
Sent Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 Porsche 928S4
> Hello again <BUYER>,
> Unfortunately, I find myself writing you to tell you that I contacted the other interested parties to let >them know that the car was sold, and one of them, who had not even seen the car yet, has become >quite irate with me for the audacity of selling the car “without his consent”.
> I don’t know where these people come from?
> He wrote me back with a link to a post he just put up on craigslist where he is saying that I am a >liar/fraud/etc…
> I guess his mindset (if you can call it that) is that he wants to ruin possible sales of the car now that >he will not have it?
> Now I am defiantly pleased that you are buying the car, and I am not dealing with characters like this.
> Once again <BUYER>, just letting you know.
> Cheers,
> Michael
Then I get notification that the buyer is walking.
From: <BUYER NAME> <buyers e-mail@rogers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
To: Mike and Janine <our e-mail.ca>
Subject: Re: 928S4
Hello Michael: I just received some news that has forced me to have to change my mind on the purchase of the vehicle. I know this will put you in a bad position. For this, please accept my sincere apologies for the inconvenience this has caused you. Re the deposit, do what you think is best, I will completely understand if you do not wish to return it. Again, my apologies. Sincerely, <BUYER>
From: Mike and Janine our e-mail.ca
To: <BUYERS NAME> <buyers e-mail@rogers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 928S4
> OK <BUYER>, I don't know what is going on today. I have you telling me that you are backing >out of a purchase that you have committed to with deposit, and at the same time I have so >psycho trying to slander me on the internet because he was not able to buy my car. I have e->mailed all my interested parties to tell them the car has been sold, and now I must right them >back saying the buyer backed out. They are going to ask what was wrong with the car. I don't >know what to tell them.
> <BUYER> I am writing this as I am heading out the door to work until tomorrow night.
> I will write or call you tomorrow to work this out. I am a reasonable guy, but looking like a >whipping boy today.
> What is your phone number?
> Regards,
> Michael
From: <BUYERS NAME> <buyers e-mail@rogers.com>
To: Mike and Janine <our e-mail.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 928S4
Again, I am sorry for these unavoidable circumstances which are personal and will not be divulged. You will have to find another buyer for the vehicle. Sincerely, <BUYER>
And here I am now.
I have decided to give back the “would be” buyer his deposit. I don’t like that he has not tried to see, or at least look for the truth here, but I would not feel right keeping his money. He can come out and pick it up himself though. I will not be giving it to someone other then him, mailing it, or sending a bank transfer etc.
I guess sometimes you just get it in the *** wether you deserve it or not.
THIS JERK IS STILL OUT THERE TRYING TO STOP ME FROM SELLING MY CAR FOR PURE SPORT.
I have a few calls on the car while I was gone, and also a couple of e-mails. One of which asks specifically What’s with the warning”s”.
What a disapointment!
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I have finally got home from work, and have put together the e-mails I received on this matter.
As I wrote, this ***** bag is looking to buy a Porsche, so this is to show you what kind of nuts there are out there, and watch out for this guy in particular.
My narration is in black bold.
The nut job is highlighted in red. He is the extratexture@XX.ca addy
My responses are in black.
The buyer who walked is in blue.
BTW, here is the link to my car on craigslist Toronto…
My 1988 928S4 add
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the first e-mail I got from the nut…
From: Extra Texture extratexture@XX.ca
To: sale-ngvxq-1253902807@craigslist.org <sale-ngvxq-1253902807@craigslist.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009
Subject: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
How can you verify the mileage?
this message was remailed to you via: sale-ngvxq-1253902807@craigslist.org
He called me at 8:26 am on the 5th. I answered his questions on the car. He seemed like an OK fellow, and wanted to come see the car. I told him that I was leaving town with work in a few hours, and we could put a meeting together at the next soonest time. So I sent him off an e-mail with the dates I could show the car, and directions on how to get to my house.
From: "Mike and Janine"<our e-mail.ca>
To: "Extra Texture" <extratexture@XX.ca>
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
> Hello again,
>
> It was good speaking to you on the phone, and I'm glad you called because
> there are more questions asked and answered then over e-mail.
>
> Our address is.
>
> XXXXXXX
> Cambridge, ON
> NXX XXX
>
> The easiest way to get here from T.O. is to go west on the 401 to
> Cambridge.
> Then take ……<DIRECTIONS TO OUR HOME>
>
> Once again, the dates that I would be available to show the car are.
>
> Tuesday the 7th. Wed 8th in the morning until 2pm. Friday the 10th in the
> morning until 2pm. Sunday the 12th until 4pm. Monday and Tuesday the 13th,
> and 14th. From Thursday the 16th until Saturday the 18th. Tuesday the
> 21st, and from Friday the 24th until the end of the month.
>
> I'm sorry for these tight windows to see the car, but I am extremely busy
> at work, and this is one of the reasons that I am not able to enjoy the
> car, and find myself selling it.
>
> If you have any other questions, please feel free to call.
>
> Thank you,
> Michael
I got this auto trader response.
From: Trader Info Services traderinfo@trader.ca
To: traderInfo <our e-mail.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009
Subject: Trader Info
Name: Buyer
Phone: (647)XXX-XXXX
Email: <buyers e-mail@rogers.com>
QuestionStill available?
I phoned the buyer, and he wants to come out on the 7th to see the car.
From: Extra Texture extratexture@XX.ca
To: "Mike and Janine” <our e-mail.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
Can't wait to see it.
From: "Mike and Janine"<our e-mail.ca>
To: "Extra Texture" <extratexture@XX.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
> OK, just let me know when you would like to put a time togeather to see
> the car.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
The buyer and his son show up in the morning of the 7th. He, and his son go through the car with me, test drive it, and he wants to buy it. He gives me a $1k deposit on it. He asks that I don’t show the car anymore. I agree, because he has given a deposit. I think the car is sold.
From: Extra Texture extratexture@XX.ca
To: Mike and Janine <our e-mail.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
Anytime at all.
From: "Mike and Janine" <our e-mail.ca>
To: "Extra Texture" <extratexture@XX.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
> Hello again,
>
> I am writing to let you know that my 928S4 has been tentatively sold
> pending payment in full.
>
> I have a deposit on it, and the buyer wishes that I not show the car until
> purchase next week.
>
> If something falls through, I will reply to see if you are still
> interested in coming to see the car, or maybe we can arrange to meet.
>
> All the best,
> Michael
From: Extra Texture extratexture@XX.ca
To: Mike and Janine <our e-mail.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
Most unfair as I was the first person to contact you and was willing to
immediately come out but you said not until next Sunday. I deserve first
crack
From: "Mike and Janine" <our e-mail.ca>
To: "Extra Texture" <extratexture@XX.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
> I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I gave the buyer the same list of
> days that I could show the car as I gave you, and he drove out yesterday
> morning with a large deposit in hand.
>
> I am in no way trying to offend you, or anyone else, I'm just doing my
> best to sell my car in the few days that I have free to do so. I'm sure
> that you can appreciate that selling a high performance specialty car has
> a relatively short summer window, and holding it for someone who has just
> committed to "come see the car" is unwise at best. Nor could I expect you
> to commit to the car without seeing, or driving it.
>
> I have had 5 or 6 guys that have called to say that they would be here at
> XX time, and then never showed or called back.
>
> Once again, I'm sorry you feel slighted by this news, but please ask your
> self what would you do in my shoes.
>
> If for any reason, this sale fall through. do you still wish to be
> notified?
>
> Best regards,
> Michael
From: Extra Texture extratexture@XX.ca
To: Mike and Janine <our e-mail.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
Again I told you we could come out the DAY it was posted and would buy it on
the spot and you said no it was impossible for you. This is NO WAY to
conduct business and I will post warnings about you and this car everywhere
you have it listed. This is a scummy way to do business and shows a complete
lack of character.
My S4 has been for sale for "2 or 3 weeks" at this point, and this nut was given the same dates to come see the car as the buyer. This also begs the question, if he wanted to buy the car on the spot, why then should eveyone else now be warned off the car? Why is the car now not to be purchased?
From: Mike and Janine our e-mail.ca
To: Extra Texture extratexture@XX.ca
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 PORSCHE 928 S4 (GTS body) - $15500 (Cambridge, ON)
> I have been more then reasonable in my dealings.
>
> Save your anger and insults for those who may care.
From: Mike and Janine our e-mail.ca
To: <BUYER> <buyers e-mail@rogers.com>
Sent Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 Porsche 928S4
> Hello <BUYER>,
> It was good to me you, and your son yesterday. I’m glad that my 928, that I have had and taken car of > for so many years, is going to someone that will appreciate it.
> I will be going through my house over the next few days (when home from work) to put together all >the extras that go with the car. I will send you a list of those items when I can.
> I will also put together receipts/manuals, and endeavor to put together a list of helpful info for the car > like helpful tips, web sites, and part suppliers.
> <BUYER>, I should be able to get the car certified on Monday the 13m, or the 14th at the latest. I’ll >also get the used car purchase package from the M.T.O.
> I have quite a few pictures detailing the modifications that have been done to the car over the years. > Do you what them? If so, I can pop them onto a DVD for you.
> Out of town for the next 4 days today, but if you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to e-> mail, or call to leave a message.
> Cheers,
> Michael
Now this is where it goes off the rails. ***** bag now puts craigslists add up on the internet warning people that I am dishonest, and I can’t prove the mileage. He also uses my name in the ad, and writes not to trust me, etc…
I feel I must tell the buyer that the ***** bag is making the slanderous posts. The buyer seems like a good guy, and I want to be honest with him. I think that if he saw these posts he would be very concerned (I guess I was right). I know I could have not done this, but i believe in honesty.
From: Mike and Janine our e-mail.ca
To: <BUYER> <buyers e-mail@rogers.com>
Sent Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 1988 Porsche 928S4
> Hello again <BUYER>,
> Unfortunately, I find myself writing you to tell you that I contacted the other interested parties to let >them know that the car was sold, and one of them, who had not even seen the car yet, has become >quite irate with me for the audacity of selling the car “without his consent”.
> I don’t know where these people come from?
> He wrote me back with a link to a post he just put up on craigslist where he is saying that I am a >liar/fraud/etc…
> I guess his mindset (if you can call it that) is that he wants to ruin possible sales of the car now that >he will not have it?
> Now I am defiantly pleased that you are buying the car, and I am not dealing with characters like this.
> Once again <BUYER>, just letting you know.
> Cheers,
> Michael
Then I get notification that the buyer is walking.
From: <BUYER NAME> <buyers e-mail@rogers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
To: Mike and Janine <our e-mail.ca>
Subject: Re: 928S4
Hello Michael: I just received some news that has forced me to have to change my mind on the purchase of the vehicle. I know this will put you in a bad position. For this, please accept my sincere apologies for the inconvenience this has caused you. Re the deposit, do what you think is best, I will completely understand if you do not wish to return it. Again, my apologies. Sincerely, <BUYER>
From: Mike and Janine our e-mail.ca
To: <BUYERS NAME> <buyers e-mail@rogers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 928S4
> OK <BUYER>, I don't know what is going on today. I have you telling me that you are backing >out of a purchase that you have committed to with deposit, and at the same time I have so >psycho trying to slander me on the internet because he was not able to buy my car. I have e->mailed all my interested parties to tell them the car has been sold, and now I must right them >back saying the buyer backed out. They are going to ask what was wrong with the car. I don't >know what to tell them.
> <BUYER> I am writing this as I am heading out the door to work until tomorrow night.
> I will write or call you tomorrow to work this out. I am a reasonable guy, but looking like a >whipping boy today.
> What is your phone number?
> Regards,
> Michael
From: <BUYERS NAME> <buyers e-mail@rogers.com>
To: Mike and Janine <our e-mail.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009
Subject: Re: 928S4
Again, I am sorry for these unavoidable circumstances which are personal and will not be divulged. You will have to find another buyer for the vehicle. Sincerely, <BUYER>
And here I am now.
I have decided to give back the “would be” buyer his deposit. I don’t like that he has not tried to see, or at least look for the truth here, but I would not feel right keeping his money. He can come out and pick it up himself though. I will not be giving it to someone other then him, mailing it, or sending a bank transfer etc.
I guess sometimes you just get it in the *** wether you deserve it or not.
THIS JERK IS STILL OUT THERE TRYING TO STOP ME FROM SELLING MY CAR FOR PURE SPORT.
I have a few calls on the car while I was gone, and also a couple of e-mails. One of which asks specifically What’s with the warning”s”.
What a disapointment!
Last edited by aircooler; 08-24-2009 at 04:38 PM. Reason: sp
07-10-2009, 03:50 AM
#22
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Thread Starter
Once again guys, I thank you for looking for this guys Craigslist, and Kijiji posts, and reporting/flagging them.
I will have to keep checking.
If someone finds another, could they please send the nut job a word or two before flagging them.
Chris, very good info on types of payment.
It is good to see that there is a definite community here!
Cosmo, I will give you a call tomorrow if I can. I purchased the old Porsche Dealership signs from Saskatoon, and I would love you to see them. The Porsche crests (2 of them) are huge 6 foot by 6 plexiglass panels that will look amazing light up on my garage walls. They should arrive by truck next week.
I will have to keep checking.
If someone finds another, could they please send the nut job a word or two before flagging them.
Chris, very good info on types of payment.
It is good to see that there is a definite community here!
Cosmo, I will give you a call tomorrow if I can. I purchased the old Porsche Dealership signs from Saskatoon, and I would love you to see them. The Porsche crests (2 of them) are huge 6 foot by 6 plexiglass panels that will look amazing light up on my garage walls. They should arrive by truck next week.
07-10-2009, 05:31 AM
#23
Rennlist Member
Hey Mike,
Selling cars is ..... well, 'selling cars' - bizzare stuff happens: sadly, you've had more than an average quota already on this magnificent S4 that you have lavished many hours and $$$ to restore to its current level.
The price is more than fair, so it will sell .....
There is only supposition to link the retraction of offer to the nutjobs rantings - and it doesn't really matter anyway: the guy just wants out, despite having seen and driven the car. One would assume that he does have truly compelling personal issues to force withdrawal. As you have decided to refund all or part of the deposit, do so in person .... with the S4 sitting in your driveway. You never know what will transpire. He might even write the big cheque ...
As to the nut job, not much to do but ignore it and let it go away. It would have to turn into a major deal to be worth the cost & time to contest legally, say for slander. As far as lost opportunity, tough to prove .... for as you have experienced, many who call to view never show up anyway - that's the car selling biz.
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Selling cars is ..... well, 'selling cars' - bizzare stuff happens: sadly, you've had more than an average quota already on this magnificent S4 that you have lavished many hours and $$$ to restore to its current level.
The price is more than fair, so it will sell .....
There is only supposition to link the retraction of offer to the nutjobs rantings - and it doesn't really matter anyway: the guy just wants out, despite having seen and driven the car. One would assume that he does have truly compelling personal issues to force withdrawal. As you have decided to refund all or part of the deposit, do so in person .... with the S4 sitting in your driveway. You never know what will transpire. He might even write the big cheque ...
As to the nut job, not much to do but ignore it and let it go away. It would have to turn into a major deal to be worth the cost & time to contest legally, say for slander. As far as lost opportunity, tough to prove .... for as you have experienced, many who call to view never show up anyway - that's the car selling biz.
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07-10-2009, 11:00 AM
#24
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I am sorry to hear of this unfortunate situation. that guy is a freak.
did you write up a bill of sale or contract? and you never got his phone number?
these are things that should be done when taking a deposit.
regarding wires or money draft or certified cheque, all can come back nsf even 30 days later, the Nigerians have perfected this. and even if you took out the money first your bank would come after you.
unfortunately there really is no great way to transfer funds guaranteed nowadays. it is best to check out the other party and know who you are dealing with. when I bought my tt I realized that if one wanted to pull a scam it is easy to do by selling a high end desirable car. btw what was the selling price?
did you write up a bill of sale or contract? and you never got his phone number?
these are things that should be done when taking a deposit.
regarding wires or money draft or certified cheque, all can come back nsf even 30 days later, the Nigerians have perfected this. and even if you took out the money first your bank would come after you.
unfortunately there really is no great way to transfer funds guaranteed nowadays. it is best to check out the other party and know who you are dealing with. when I bought my tt I realized that if one wanted to pull a scam it is easy to do by selling a high end desirable car. btw what was the selling price?
07-10-2009, 11:24 AM
#25
Again, sorry to hear that this happened Mike. I actually put an ad up on Kijiji for the day yesterday to help counteract this guy for you saying that you were legit and so is the car. You are a good guy to return the deposit!
I will have to stop in for a beer and check out those signs. I am in the middle of doing my shocks right now, pretty big job. I should have the car back on the road this weekend.
I will have to stop in for a beer and check out those signs. I am in the middle of doing my shocks right now, pretty big job. I should have the car back on the road this weekend.
Once again guys, I thank you for looking for this guys Craigslist, and Kijiji posts, and reporting/flagging them.
I will have to keep checking.
If someone finds another, could they please send the nut job a word or two before flagging them.
Chris, very good info on types of payment.
It is good to see that there is a definite community here!
Cosmo, I will give you a call tomorrow if I can. I purchased the old Porsche Dealership signs from Saskatoon, and I would love you to see them. The Porsche crests (2 of them) are huge 6 foot by 6 plexiglass panels that will look amazing light up on my garage walls. They should arrive by truck next week.
I will have to keep checking.
If someone finds another, could they please send the nut job a word or two before flagging them.
Chris, very good info on types of payment.
It is good to see that there is a definite community here!
Cosmo, I will give you a call tomorrow if I can. I purchased the old Porsche Dealership signs from Saskatoon, and I would love you to see them. The Porsche crests (2 of them) are huge 6 foot by 6 plexiglass panels that will look amazing light up on my garage walls. They should arrive by truck next week.
07-10-2009, 03:04 PM
#26
Race Car
Selling used porsches is a pain. I sold a cheap ratty 944 on ebay last year and had no end of flakes, even the final buyer who wanted me to pay for transmission replacement AFTER he drove it 600km home to cleveland, and a full month after the sale was completed.
Any time I do it again, all terms will be spelled out in full detail in the for sale ad, right up front.
Lesson learned, hingsight is 20/20, etc etc. It's a crappy position to be in, no doubt. Good luck.
Oh, and no way would I bother spending any time or money on the craigslist guy. Good money after bad and all...
Any time I do it again, all terms will be spelled out in full detail in the for sale ad, right up front.
Lesson learned, hingsight is 20/20, etc etc. It's a crappy position to be in, no doubt. Good luck.
Oh, and no way would I bother spending any time or money on the craigslist guy. Good money after bad and all...
07-10-2009, 03:51 PM
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You got that right Christien 
Cosmo, I'll have a cold one ready for you.
Dan, it is $15.5 o.b.o.
Garth, I don't think I would run into characters like this out east. How is my 993 engine doing?
On the lighter side, a big crate arrived today. The panels (one still in crate) are 6'x6'
Cosmo, I'll have a cold one ready for you.
Dan, it is $15.5 o.b.o.
Garth, I don't think I would run into characters like this out east. How is my 993 engine doing?
On the lighter side, a big crate arrived today. The panels (one still in crate) are 6'x6'
07-10-2009, 06:51 PM
#29
Team Owner
I have only 2 things to say on this matter ....
1. Money Talks Bull**** walks, to bad the buyer didn't relaize this he could have netted himself a nice car , glad to see you refunded his deposit , all is not lost and he may buy it eventually.
2. Holy crap there ia ANOTHER porsche in cambridge, if we actually organised we actually have enough guys for a cruise or a get together at the timmies on Franklin.
1. Money Talks Bull**** walks, to bad the buyer didn't relaize this he could have netted himself a nice car , glad to see you refunded his deposit , all is not lost and he may buy it eventually.
2. Holy crap there ia ANOTHER porsche in cambridge, if we actually organised we actually have enough guys for a cruise or a get together at the timmies on Franklin.
