RDMcG

https://jalopnik.com/porsche-learned...suc-1851512025

Good article here. We seem to be getting down to 50 shades of Grey ( or black, or white). Colours that were standard are now extra, and PTS is in two parts...PTS standard ( just another range of colours) and PTS+ which is the more unusual shades and very expensive.

I have never actually bought a PTS car, but I have often gone for a brighter standard colour. There is something about paying extra for paint that does no attract me, but we are all different

Onami

I’m not supporting Porsche’s move, but I can tell you that the cost of paint can vary dramatically based on colour. We have powder paints that cost $10/kg and others that cost $75/kg. Also, I’m not sure how automotive lines handle colour change set-ups, but some colours require more set-up time than others. I’m guessing that they averaged these costs over the colour range for years and now are making you pay for the cost differential and choice of more fun colours.

#1SomeGuy

So happy I was able to get Mamba Green for the sub $1000 price on my Macan...I'd have a hard time swallowing the $3-4k paint colours let alone the $10k+ ones.

Jamie140

Ferrari wants $13k for simple silver on the 12 cyl. Convertible.

Cosmo Kramer

Post Covid everything has changed. Companies keep charging more money for things and then give you less.

m3bs

It’s all about marketing. I’ve shopped some BMW models that only offered a single color without a premium. I’ve also seen colors be standard on some models, but extra on others, which kind of debunks the paint cost theory.

SToronto

Guards Red is now PTS. It becomes hard to pay so much for what was a run of the mill colour.

SToronto

It sounds like interesting times at Porsche with sales in China sagging and a focus switch to the US. While I want Porsche to succeed, I think some healthy competition will be good. That could come with the continued push up market on price. Some other real contenders in these new price brackets.

theiceman

" we don't care how you do it .. just go get more money"

Vise

Agreed although Guards Red is not PTS on the 992.2, it is one of the 'Dreams' options for $1700. Same price now as Carmine Red which used to be in the $3k+ range. Of the two I'd get Carmine all day.

Related but Lugano Blue appears close-ish to Shark Blue and is also in the $1700 category while Shark Blue was $3k+. So that is something.

LastMezger

Interestingly it's Porsche that's brought on the competition as their vision is to have the brand move up a tier or two and fill the gap left by Ferrari, Lambo, Bentley, Aston (not that they're much competition) moving up even higher.

Just look at how aggressively pricing is moving up. A Carrera S is a $200K car now (in no small part due to luxury tax) and the entry level EV SUV Macan is a $125K min proposition.

At other brands what were $250K cars (458) are now $500K+ cars 296GTB. Etc...etc...

The rumored 3-row EV SUV is expected to be over $200K and will crest $300K for sure.

Wild times!

SToronto

That's right, it wasnt presented correctly in what I read. That's at least better than PTS for GR.

SToronto

I suppose so. But I have to imagine the buyers pool is smaller the further up you go and will continue to be that way. 911 used to be attainable to more than it is today (just anecdotally as I have no hard data to support). The new GT3 will be what....starting at $250k. My 991.2 starting was $186k in 2018. In the new price range it opens up choices when you factor preowned. Now, not sure anything in that bracket will quite compete with what the GT3 offers. But take that idea down to the Base/S/GTS.

Really interested to see if AMG brings a new GTR. Don't think we have pricing yet for the GT63 in Canada.

The new cars are too quick to really enjoy the driving capabilities on our GTA roads.

RDMcG

To be fair there is also the demand side when 80% of new cars I the US are greyscale ...https://jalopnik.com/cars-have-gotte...0-y-1851516094

InTgr8r

The problem is, what is there out there that fills the void left by Porsche. ???
There's not much that would get my interest.