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Old 05-31-2022 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Patton250
That’s probably why you see millions upon millions of people trying to sneak into Canada to become citizens every year. Oh wait a minute. Scratch that.
Good thing you have all that freedom of speech. You also have freedom to listen, read, or even educate yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxham_Road
Old 05-31-2022 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Patton250
You can live in your fantasy world all you want my friend but the truth is people wanna come here. And the reason why is because we have freedom and you don’t. I’ve watched video after video of your police ripping people from a church and bringing them to jail. I’ve seen video after video of your police ripping business owners from their businesses and bringing them to jail. I’ve seen video after video of people being fined and brought to jail for not thinking correctly and speaking incorrectly in public. You have no freedom of speech. Zero. You have no gun rights. No sir. You are wrong. Let’s just leave it at that. I would definitely rather live in Canada than Yemen for sure but the only other country I would even think of living in over the United States would be Switzerland even though they have very few rights at free-speech either now.
Canada had the highest population growth rate of any G7 country in both 2018 and 2019. 82% of that growth was due to immigration. What are you even going on about? Like I don't even give a **** about the immigration rates but half the time the only thing a lot of Americans take away from having "freedom of speech" is their ability to hear themselves blab on about subjects they know nothing about.

"The United States imposes fixed ceilings on the number of refugee admissions, which have been progressively lowered by the Trump administration, from 50,000 for 2017, (slashed from the 85,000 level for 2016 set by the Obama administration) to 45,000 for 2018, 30,000 for 2019, and most recently 18,000 for 2020.[16] As a result, refugee admissions for the United States are now dipping below those of Canada, which does not set formal refugee caps, but instead has softer “targets” with high and low ranges. Canada’s refugee admission target for 2020 is 31,700.[17] Canada’s refugee admission levels have been generally on an upward trend since 2014, although they are below a spike seen in 2016 when a program of admission for Syrian refugees existed. "

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Old 05-31-2022 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Patton250
Good point. I won’t post in here anymore. I didn’t really realize that and that’s my fault. I apologize. As for the rest of your post I absolutely will and thank you.
As friendly Canadians, we ask you to please don't post here anymore. lol
But seriously, this attitude is why so much of the world shake their heads at Americans.
Old 05-31-2022 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Patton250
very true indeed. But they don’t try to either. Ask any human being on the planet earth that’s very unhappy with their current country including Canadians which country they would rather live in the United States would win 100 to 1.

ask me why that is. I dare you. :-)


No no they are heading to Cuba.... free healthcare right?

I don't know why everyone is crapping on you....well I know why lol Welcome to the Canadian political/ tree hugger part of the forum where people with Porsches and multiple vehicles tell other people with similar wealth statuses they are terrible people for not doing enough to save the world but continue to live their lavish lifestyles.... Just like politicians.

And when I say lavish I mean not ****ting in holes like millions of people around the world.
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Old 06-26-2022 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rsabeebe
why the 'destroying the planet' addition? if you truly feel that way, sell all your current ice cars and go electric.
c'mon, that '83 Westy is destroying the planet way more than any current 700hp grocery getter. 76hp is an irrelevant figure.
this is not the crowd to get behind your 'destroying the planet' narrative. seems you can take care of that own your own. i hear the nissan leafs are rather sporty.
What's destroying the planet is wretched excess. 770 hp pickups and 3000 hp miami cigar boats qualify.

An '83 westfalia can't really be compared to a hellcat or even a nissan leaf. The utility of a hellcat is marginal, whereas the westy is bursting with utility. A westy could be compared to a class whatever RV. It can be used as a daily driver. We once rescued 9 women stranded on a deserted road. With a footprint smaller than a porsche cayenne and narrow width, it can be parked almost anywhere. It's a tiny land yacht that could take you anywhere in the world. I'm hoping to drive it to patagonia after I solve the central america problem. Although it has a 3 way cat, it could of course benefit from some modern engine tech: high compression, knock sensors, Direct FI, roller hydraulic lifers, more gears, improved aerodynamics, etc. If we take it to patagonia we will stop in california and have a limited slip diff installed. It has great ground clearance, but will lift an inside rear wheel on reallly tight hairpins
Old 06-26-2022 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by reacp911
What's destroying the planet is wretched excess. 770 hp pickups and 3000 hp miami cigar boats qualify.

An '83 westfalia can't really be compared to a hellcat or even a nissan leaf. The utility of a hellcat is marginal, whereas the westy is bursting with utility. A westy could be compared to a class whatever RV. It can be used as a daily driver. We once rescued 9 women stranded on a deserted road. With a footprint smaller than a porsche cayenne and narrow width, it can be parked almost anywhere. It's a tiny land yacht that could take you anywhere in the world. I'm hoping to drive it to patagonia after I solve the central america problem. Although it has a 3 way cat, it could of course benefit from some modern engine tech: high compression, knock sensors, Direct FI, roller hydraulic lifers, more gears, improved aerodynamics, etc. If we take it to patagonia we will stop in california and have a limited slip diff installed. It has great ground clearance, but will lift an inside rear wheel on reallly tight hairpins
This is the”what about” argument that lists all of the other virtues of the VW while not addressing the emissions argument. I have no argument about the use of the vehicle for whatever purpose you wish. However it will emit more pollution than all of my vehicles combined as I only drive them one at a time.
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Old 06-26-2022 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RDMcG
This is the”what about” argument that lists all of the other virtues of the VW while not addressing the emissions argument. I have no argument about the use of the vehicle for whatever purpose you wish. However it will emit more pollution than all of my vehicles combined as I only drive them one at a time.
An '83 california westy is a pretty clean car. Almost zero is still almost zero. The biggest difference is in warmup emissions; CO2 emissions is basically fuel economy. Here, the 83 westy is in line with my '22 718 and '04 XC70 compared in actual usage.

An example of how good catalytic converter tech is my expired '95 saturn. Near the end, it was using 1 litre of oil every 200 km. Thats 200km. Co-workers were giving me their old oil. It still blew no smoke, and passed the drive clean test well under the limit..

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Old 06-26-2022 | 01:06 PM
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I would rather walk than drive a Volkswagen van. Talk about torture. You can drive the ****ty old vans and I’ll drive the modern cars with less pollution and everything that goes with them. I like that your portraying a almost 40 year old van as saving the planet solution.
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246 million passenger cars in Europe, 286 million cars in the US, 18 million cars in Canada, 302 million cars in China.
56,000 Dodge Hellcats manufactured,
I dont think having 700hp is the problem


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Old 06-26-2022 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rjag2034
246 million passenger cars in Europe, 286 million cars in the US, 18 million cars in Canada, 302 million cars in China.
56,000 Dodge Hellcats manufactured,
I dont think having 700hp is the problem
I am not arguing either for or against high powered cars, but as far as total global CO2 emissions go, the USA is first in the world, having produced roughly twice as much CO2 as China. That graph is completely misleading.

According to the most recent data from the Global Carbon Project from 2020, the countries that have produced the most carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are the United States (416,738 MT), China (235,527 MT), Russia (115,335 MT), Germany (92,636 MT), and the United Kingdom (78,161 MT). This is CUMULATIVE, i.e. total CO2 produced. In 2020 alone, China was indeed in first place with 11,680 MT of CO2 emissions, and the USA released the second-highest amount of carbon emissions at 4,535 MT.

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Old 06-26-2022 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 928gt
I am not arguing either for or against high powered cars, but as far as total global CO2 emissions go, the USA is first in the world, having produced roughly twice as much CO2 as China. That graph is completely misleading.

According to the most recent data from the Global Carbon Project from 2020, the countries that have produced the most carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are the United States (416,738 MT), China (235,527 MT), Russia (115,335 MT), Germany (92,636 MT), and the United Kingdom (78,161 MT). This is CUMULATIVE, i.e. total CO2 produced. In 2020 alone, China was indeed in first place with 11,680 MT of CO2 emissions, and the USA released the second-highest amount of carbon emissions at 4,535 MT.
That picture I posted is a current real time snapshot of what is happening right now. I dont care if The US and UK were producing co2 in the 1800's, thats not relevant to todays numbers, heck in the 1800's China and India may not have been industrialized but they were burning massive amounts of wood, coal and oil to survive. Its the same misleading argument that claims Canadian GHG per capita is extremely high compared to China. Except it fails to disclose that 4/5ths of those emissions were from industrial resource extraction, agriculture and rail transport etc that benefit the global market far more than the average Canadian. Also the fact that wit the exception of the lower BC mainland and Vancouver Island, Canada is basically an arctic country.
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Industrial resource extraction (mostly oil and gas), agriculture and transport are indeed the main CO2 contributors, as is electricity generation from coal. No argument there. And yes, I also agree that CO2 emissions are meaningless on a per capita basis. Qatar, Montenegro, Kuwait, Trinidad and Tobago, the UAE and Oman are all ahead of Canada on a per capita basis, followed by Brunei and Luxembourg among others. It is indeed meaningless as China would not even make it in the top 30 with their ~1.6 billion people, with places like the Bahamas, Bermuda, Gibraltar and even the Falkland Islands (with a population of ~3000) ahead.

My only issue was with the map you posted is that it shows carbon MONOXIDE (CO) concentrations, not carbon DIOXIDE (CO2). They are two very different animals, so your map is indeed misleading and not applicable to the issue being discussed.
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https://www.thedrive.com/news/europe...eding-monitors
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Got curious about the fuel economy of some of the cars mentioned in this thread. This doesn't take into account how much better pollution controls have become in the last 25+ years, but really shows the inefficiency of old cars.






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