New Build and Negotiation
#1
New Build and Negotiation
Hi there. New to the forum and enjoy reading all the threads.
I live in Alberta and looking to order a car. I have given the build to the dealer but they will not get an allotment for a few months. I may also be looking for European Delivery.
The dealer told me European Delivery is a lottery for Canada and I may not get. Does this sound right? I know dealers pay for this so it is in their interest to not give to me.
As well, I asked about price discounts off of MSRP (still early stages and no allotment yet) and I was told if I want European Delivery would not get any price discount and even without European Delivery I could maybe give be a credit for maintenance or some Porsche swag but not a meaningful discount. Does this sound right? Sounds like little desire to negotiate off of MSRP.
Do you know if dealers in Canada will compete against each other on a a new build and actually give a discount off of MSRP? I know Mercedes for instance will not deal with you if there is a dealer in your city was they to not want to compete so they can all keep their margins up.
Appreciate your insights as this is my first Porsche purchase. Excited.
I live in Alberta and looking to order a car. I have given the build to the dealer but they will not get an allotment for a few months. I may also be looking for European Delivery.
The dealer told me European Delivery is a lottery for Canada and I may not get. Does this sound right? I know dealers pay for this so it is in their interest to not give to me.
As well, I asked about price discounts off of MSRP (still early stages and no allotment yet) and I was told if I want European Delivery would not get any price discount and even without European Delivery I could maybe give be a credit for maintenance or some Porsche swag but not a meaningful discount. Does this sound right? Sounds like little desire to negotiate off of MSRP.
Do you know if dealers in Canada will compete against each other on a a new build and actually give a discount off of MSRP? I know Mercedes for instance will not deal with you if there is a dealer in your city was they to not want to compete so they can all keep their margins up.
Appreciate your insights as this is my first Porsche purchase. Excited.
#2
Rennlist Member
I have done a euro delivery with a Boxster S and a Macan S with Pfaff Toronto, very easy!
It is a fantastic experience!
Both were new models bought site unseen so I was able to get a summer Euro slot, but no joy on much of a discount.....
Apparently with the Taycan launch last year Euro deliveries were messed up, and may still be
Downtown in Toronto have been much better on price but not with a Euro delivery.
Recently picked up a .2 GT3 at Pfaff at a good price in December, I have heard that Canada was struggling to make their 2019 number
Bottom line, shop around, you can buy in Toronto, do a Euro delivery, and the car can be shipped to Alberta.
I was told the Euro delivery costs the dealer C$2500, so there should be some wiggle room, Boxster numbers are low.....
Good luck
It is a fantastic experience!
Both were new models bought site unseen so I was able to get a summer Euro slot, but no joy on much of a discount.....
Apparently with the Taycan launch last year Euro deliveries were messed up, and may still be
Downtown in Toronto have been much better on price but not with a Euro delivery.
Recently picked up a .2 GT3 at Pfaff at a good price in December, I have heard that Canada was struggling to make their 2019 number
Bottom line, shop around, you can buy in Toronto, do a Euro delivery, and the car can be shipped to Alberta.
I was told the Euro delivery costs the dealer C$2500, so there should be some wiggle room, Boxster numbers are low.....
Good luck
#3
Rennlist Member
I have done this a few times. Never heard of a lottery for Euro. Chance of discount is zero. Experience is priceless. Tracked every car there.
You get to take the car you specced to your own liking on the autobahn. Nice delivery experience too.
You get to take the car you specced to your own liking on the autobahn. Nice delivery experience too.
#4
Euro delivery should be a simple task with the only question being availability to match your desired date.
However you may not get a MSRP discount with ED.
If it's a non GT or special car (speedster, Spyder) you should get a discount of some sort, this also varies by dealer. I got a good discount (for a Porsche I think) on an ordered 19 Cayenne. Discounts don't seem to be like the US.
As somebody else said, shop around. Don't have to buy in Alberta. Cars from here get trucked around the country. Also had a Quebec dealer keen to close a deal and ship a car.
Also different dealers will have different allocation quantities and dates. Based on their sales.
I think last year there were posts about about Alberta dealers hurting and looking for business with the economy issues there. Not what is used to be with oil patch wallets.
However you may not get a MSRP discount with ED.
If it's a non GT or special car (speedster, Spyder) you should get a discount of some sort, this also varies by dealer. I got a good discount (for a Porsche I think) on an ordered 19 Cayenne. Discounts don't seem to be like the US.
As somebody else said, shop around. Don't have to buy in Alberta. Cars from here get trucked around the country. Also had a Quebec dealer keen to close a deal and ship a car.
Also different dealers will have different allocation quantities and dates. Based on their sales.
I think last year there were posts about about Alberta dealers hurting and looking for business with the economy issues there. Not what is used to be with oil patch wallets.
#5
Rennlist Member
Hi there. New to the forum and enjoy reading all the threads.
I live in Alberta and looking to order a car. I have given the build to the dealer but they will not get an allotment for a few months. I may also be looking for European Delivery.
The dealer told me European Delivery is a lottery for Canada and I may not get. Does this sound right? I know dealers pay for this so it is in their interest to not give to me.
As well, I asked about price discounts off of MSRP (still early stages and no allotment yet) and I was told if I want European Delivery would not get any price discount and even without European Delivery I could maybe give be a credit for maintenance or some Porsche swag but not a meaningful discount. Does this sound right? Sounds like little desire to negotiate off of MSRP.
Do you know if dealers in Canada will compete against each other on a a new build and actually give a discount off of MSRP? I know Mercedes for instance will not deal with you if there is a dealer in your city was they to not want to compete so they can all keep their margins up.
Appreciate your insights as this is my first Porsche purchase. Excited.
I live in Alberta and looking to order a car. I have given the build to the dealer but they will not get an allotment for a few months. I may also be looking for European Delivery.
The dealer told me European Delivery is a lottery for Canada and I may not get. Does this sound right? I know dealers pay for this so it is in their interest to not give to me.
As well, I asked about price discounts off of MSRP (still early stages and no allotment yet) and I was told if I want European Delivery would not get any price discount and even without European Delivery I could maybe give be a credit for maintenance or some Porsche swag but not a meaningful discount. Does this sound right? Sounds like little desire to negotiate off of MSRP.
Do you know if dealers in Canada will compete against each other on a a new build and actually give a discount off of MSRP? I know Mercedes for instance will not deal with you if there is a dealer in your city was they to not want to compete so they can all keep their margins up.
Appreciate your insights as this is my first Porsche purchase. Excited.
#6
Rennlist Member
I'm doing it this summer with a 992. Euro delivery is now a $3,500 charge to the dealer. I didn't realize at first but it includes one night stay in a hotel as well as lunch at the museum. No discounts on 992.
#7
Back in 2020 I was planning to buy a BoxsterT, I ended up be practical and buying a Macan (yes boo to me), but now I am about to order a 2024 Boxster GTS 4.0. They have offered me a May 2024 build and ED in July.
The dealer has told me that effective this year Porsche Canada is now charging $3,000 if I want to do ED. Has anyone hear of this? Is it worth the cost? I guess it is a priceless experience but seems to be a money grab.
On the car itself I have asked about a discount given I bought the Porsche Macan a couple of years ago from them, but they are telling me sorry no discounts. Also to expect at least $3k in fees above what the configurator is spitting out.
Thoughts? It does not seem I can any negotiating power here, but curious to know what others recent experience may be! Thanks.
The dealer has told me that effective this year Porsche Canada is now charging $3,000 if I want to do ED. Has anyone hear of this? Is it worth the cost? I guess it is a priceless experience but seems to be a money grab.
On the car itself I have asked about a discount given I bought the Porsche Macan a couple of years ago from them, but they are telling me sorry no discounts. Also to expect at least $3k in fees above what the configurator is spitting out.
Thoughts? It does not seem I can any negotiating power here, but curious to know what others recent experience may be! Thanks.
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#8
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One of the benefits of Euro delivery is that the car is insured by Porsche for your stay ( up to 3 weeks I think) and that is included in the price.
I could not get it last year for my 992RS as the slots were all booked out so it is a bit of a lottery.
I could not get it last year for my 992RS as the slots were all booked out so it is a bit of a lottery.
#9
Rennlist Member
Congratulations on the allocation!
If you go back to the 2020 answers to your 2020 post, there were no discounts then and surely not today!
Euro delivery is a very well run program with real costs and it is not surprising it is charged for......
I did get two Euro deliveries at "no cost" which was policy when purchased.....
After 15 P cars purchased, 13 in Canada, I have not ever received a "discount" and in fact did pay a 50K uplift for a 991.2GT3 RS, which I did with full knowledge and wad glad to get that car.....
Some day economics may sway in the purchaser's favour, but I would be very happy with the allocation and costs for Euro delivery, if you want to do that this summer...
Not to defend the dealers, but take a look around and look at the overhead of running a dealership today, it is pretty high....
Many dealerships in Canada are now run by public companies which do have a duty to max shareholder value, you can buy shares in them if you wish.
What you do get with Porsche is cars that rarely (never in my experience) break, always put a smile on your face, and generally retain value (at least the sports cars).
I would take that Boxsrer T and be glad I got it!
Let us know about your trip if you do!!
YMMV
If you go back to the 2020 answers to your 2020 post, there were no discounts then and surely not today!
Euro delivery is a very well run program with real costs and it is not surprising it is charged for......
I did get two Euro deliveries at "no cost" which was policy when purchased.....
After 15 P cars purchased, 13 in Canada, I have not ever received a "discount" and in fact did pay a 50K uplift for a 991.2GT3 RS, which I did with full knowledge and wad glad to get that car.....
Some day economics may sway in the purchaser's favour, but I would be very happy with the allocation and costs for Euro delivery, if you want to do that this summer...
Not to defend the dealers, but take a look around and look at the overhead of running a dealership today, it is pretty high....
Many dealerships in Canada are now run by public companies which do have a duty to max shareholder value, you can buy shares in them if you wish.
What you do get with Porsche is cars that rarely (never in my experience) break, always put a smile on your face, and generally retain value (at least the sports cars).
I would take that Boxsrer T and be glad I got it!
Let us know about your trip if you do!!
YMMV
#11
Drifting
I actually got a discount on my factory order 991.1 GTS (ordered in late 2014) but those days have long since passed. Now count yourself lucky if you can get an allocation.
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I recieved discounts on both my 21 Macan and 23 992. They weren't much, but it definitely felt like a win in my books.
Never hurts to ask, especially if you've purchased multiple cars
Never hurts to ask, especially if you've purchased multiple cars
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