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Old 03-12-2019, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 993GT
you only live once and it's a matter of priorities, that said- find a Porsche that isn't rapidly depreciating and enjoy that
Yup, I feel like the 911s are the way to go if you don't want a rapidly depreciating Porsche, or a Panamera that has already taken the depreciation hit, I see CPO '16 models going for half of its original value.
Old 03-12-2019, 03:16 PM
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the last gen Panny looks pretty awful IMO, hence there is not much of a demand for them if Porsche dealers are still asking for high prices
Old 03-12-2019, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by heroicdeath
Yup, I feel like the 911s are the way to go if you don't want a rapidly depreciating Porsche,.......

Only if you get one that's at least 10 years old.
Old 03-12-2019, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by heroicdeath
Yup, I feel like the 911s are the way to go if you don't want a rapidly depreciating Porsche, or a Panamera that has already taken the depreciation hit, I see CPO '16 models going for half of its original value.
Originally Posted by Imo000
Only if you get one that's at least 10 years old.
^this, any new 911 (save for smart 'flipping' on GT2/3's) will see a big hit... consider 996s (in particular Turbo/Gt3/2) , 986 Boxster (these will be a winner one day-mark my word), 987 Cayman/Boxster, leave a reasonable repair/maintenance budget
I bought my GT2 at 23, when the market was in a trough, has been a great investment and never have looked back...look for opportunities in the used car market and you can find yourself building equity while living the car dream


can have one of these for the price of the taxes on a new Boxster/Cayman
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Originally Posted by 991GTA
The $511,000 from 2 years ago was stated by Porsche Brand Ambassador Tony Montaleone

...The luxury segment is what America knows,” said Montaleone. “The average Porsche owner’s household income is $511,000. The average Mercedes-Benz owner’s household income is slightly over $250,000. That says something. Anyone can have a Mercedes, but Porsches are special.”

I just heard the $600,000 figure last week. It was quoted in a podcast I was listening to while driving but can't remember which one off hand. That's where they also stated $365,000 was the avg for a boxster/cayman owner. I'll see if I can find it again.
If it's average income, the $600K number doesn't surprise me at all since there are some extraordinarily wealthy Porsche owners. I would expect that the top 10% have incomes in the multi-million a year range. A $600K median income OTOH would surprise me. My guess would be a median income of around $300K a year. As a many decade owner of 911s, I have met numerous 911 owners, and many of them were 60+ and retired. So while their incomes may have been modest by Porsche standards, $150K - $200K, they were all multi-millionaires and thought nothing of cutting a $120K check for a 911.
Old 03-12-2019, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by heroicdeath
Hey guys,

I'm about to graduate and am returning full-time to a company I've interned at this past summer. Full-time salary is $87K + stock options, now since I was an international student at UofT, I've been paying $$$ for tuition (which I completely understand), so I do have a fair bit of tax credits.

I'm thinking of financing a CPO 911 C2S from 2017 or a CPO Panamera GTS from 2016. The 911 C2S is listed for $102K at Porsche Oakville and the Panamera GTS listed for $95K at the same dealership. I have about $30K in savings and no debt.

Does it make financial sense to make the purchase? It would be a $20K downpayment with financing handling the rest, for a 48 month term it'd come to 1500-1900 a month tax included.

It's always been a childhood dream of mine to own a 911 C2S ever since I was 6 (18 years ago jesus). I absolutely love cars with passion, and coming from Singapore (where cars are at least 3x the price here, and you can only keep them for 10 years at a time, this is what is pushing me to make the decision).

I'm based in Toronto too!
First off buying any car, and especially Porsches, never makes financial sense unless you are able to afford a car like a GT3RS. So unless your father owns a Porsche dealership and can get you a car like a GT3RS at MSRP, it won't make financial sense. Taking the money that you are considering for a car and applying it to a house does make financial sense. In four years your Porsche will be worth around 40% less than what you paid for it, whereas a house will appreciate in value.

For the vast majority of Porsche owners, the money they spend on cars is disposable income. The wisest statement I ever heard regarding owning cars came from a Porsche Sales Rep at a car show I attended with a friend many years ago. My friend saw a beautiful 997S on display, and asked the Rep what was the price of the car. The Sales Rep replied that if you had to ask about the price, you can't afford it. My friend persisted and when he was told the price, he smiled at the Sales Rep and said you are right, I can't afford it.
Old 03-12-2019, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by fast1
The Sales Rep replied that if you had to ask about the price, you can't afford it.
ahh yes, the mating call of the pretentious douchebag.
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:28 PM
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^ Bingo! I thought it and you posted it. 😉
Old 03-13-2019, 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by fast1
The Sales Rep replied that if you had to ask about the price, you can't afford it.
Hilarious. A salesman that cares about your personal finances. Sell, sell , sell. ABC. Always be closing!
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Originally Posted by JTT
ahh yes, the mating call of the pretentious douchebag.
Old 03-13-2019, 10:22 AM
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I think the OP is yanking your chains and you guys are falling for it.
Old 03-13-2019, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 911 Rod
I think the OP is yanking your chains and you guys are falling for it.
Well no I wasn't, I was considering it. But the comments on the this thread do bring strong valid points, I'll be taking the advice and forgoing the decision to purchase.

I definitely wanted to hear things from a Porsche owners and enthusiasts perspective, so everyone is making good points that I'll keep in mind.
Old 03-13-2019, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by heroicdeath
Well no I wasn't, I was considering it. But the comments on the this thread do bring strong valid points, I'll be taking the advice and forgoing the decision to purchase.

I definitely wanted to hear things from a Porsche owners and enthusiasts perspective, so everyone is making good points that I'll keep in mind.
dont worry I understand where you have been. I was born with oil in my veins and cars are the only thing I care about. So they are a priority but I enjoy them and way too much of my net worth is tied up in them. But it keeps me motivated. Still have to apply some financial sense though
Old 03-13-2019, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by heroicdeath
I don't have any debts, no student loans. But I do see the point everyones making, heh thanks everyone!
I think he means Enough Enough. he gets it.

Do what most Car enthusiasts do.. start small & progress as suited. I started with a Honda 15 years ago & worked my way up to Porsche's, Lambo's.

My $0.02 is it's not what you make, it's what you save.
Old 03-13-2019, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Kitc2246
Apparently not a Finance degree.
Feel the burn.

So the median family income in Toronto is $78,373. As yourself how many 2017 911s are parked in those driveways? If the answer is "none" then you know what to do.


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