2019 economic outlook?
#31
It's very hard to flip a home without putting a lot of sweat equity into it...
BY my basic math,
You lose the first 4-5% on realestate and lawyer fees.
and then another 3-4% per year on the mortgage interest...
You need to hope that the property goes up by at least 6% in the 1st year to make a profit.... I'd rather put it in a high interest savings account @2% or GIC @ 3%...
Your house cost $100 today, in 2020, you want to sell it for $110
You put $20 down as your downpayment, and mortgage $80
When you sell, you have to pay your RE agent $4.40
During the year, you pay the bank (*0.035x80) interest $2.8
Property taxes for the year $0.60
So you would make $10-$4.4-$2.8 - $0.60 = $2.2 on your $20 investment over the year.
BY my basic math,
You lose the first 4-5% on realestate and lawyer fees.
and then another 3-4% per year on the mortgage interest...
You need to hope that the property goes up by at least 6% in the 1st year to make a profit.... I'd rather put it in a high interest savings account @2% or GIC @ 3%...
Your house cost $100 today, in 2020, you want to sell it for $110
You put $20 down as your downpayment, and mortgage $80
When you sell, you have to pay your RE agent $4.40
During the year, you pay the bank (*0.035x80) interest $2.8
Property taxes for the year $0.60
So you would make $10-$4.4-$2.8 - $0.60 = $2.2 on your $20 investment over the year.
This same logic applies to a flip.
As I have said before, dump your money into a cottage. Goes up in value and his a whole lot of fun!
#32
way off topic
so subtract another $1.30 profit for land transfer tax. You make about $0.90 on your $20 investment on the year....
Cottage. devil's advocate...
Wife and I will have somewhere around 83% of a cottage through family inheritance on lake Muskoka.... We use the cottage alot... however....
Say $1.2 million cottage X 83% = $996,000 (funny number!)
invest that in a GIC or something dumb. at 3% = $30K interest
save the 0.6% property tax on 996,000 = $6K taxes saved...
That's $36K for some pretty nice vacations... (even if you spent half of that and reinvestted the other half).....
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As an aside, my family spent 38 nights at the cottage in 2018, including almost every weekend (and I stopped working Fridays last year ), that's getting pretty pricey for downtime.... $36K/ 38 nights if my inlaws didn't own the cottage.
AirBNB anyone?
Last edited by petee_c; 02-19-2019 at 03:35 PM. Reason: changed some numbers... don't know the exact property tax for Gravenhurst cottage vs Towhship of Musk Lakes
#33
Yeah, I knew about land transfer tax, but was too lazy to figure out the rate.....
so subtract another $1.30 profit for land transfer tax. You make about $0.90 on your $20 investment on the year....
Cottage. devil's advocate...
Wife and I will have somewhere around 83% of a cottage through family inheritance on lake Muskoka.... We use the cottage alot... however....
Say $1.2 million cottage X 83% = $996,000 (funny number!)
invest that in a GIC or something dumb. at 3% = $30K interest
save the 1% property tax on 996,000 = $10K taxes saved...
That's $40K for some pretty nice vacations... (even if you spent half of that and reinvestted the other half).....
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As an aside, my family spent 38 nights at the cottage in 2018, including almost every weekend (and I stopped working Fridays last year ), that's getting pretty pricey for downtime.... $40K/ 38 nights if my inlaws didn't own the cottage.
AirBNB anyone?
so subtract another $1.30 profit for land transfer tax. You make about $0.90 on your $20 investment on the year....
Cottage. devil's advocate...
Wife and I will have somewhere around 83% of a cottage through family inheritance on lake Muskoka.... We use the cottage alot... however....
Say $1.2 million cottage X 83% = $996,000 (funny number!)
invest that in a GIC or something dumb. at 3% = $30K interest
save the 1% property tax on 996,000 = $10K taxes saved...
That's $40K for some pretty nice vacations... (even if you spent half of that and reinvestted the other half).....
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As an aside, my family spent 38 nights at the cottage in 2018, including almost every weekend (and I stopped working Fridays last year ), that's getting pretty pricey for downtime.... $40K/ 38 nights if my inlaws didn't own the cottage.
AirBNB anyone?
Our cottage is more about roots than anything else. I am on a 6 person cottage road. 1st property and last property are permanent residents for over 60 years. I adopted the last property owners as my mum and dad lol. They don't have kids. So, there is always a reason to go up. It is like going home. In fact, we say we have a house in Toronto but a home in the Kawartha's. Faster for me to get to a Canadian Tire at the cottage than in Toronto (Royal York and Bloor). Home Hardware, Tim Horton's, Grocery Store, Beer Store and Liquor store are less than 10 minutes away.
#34
We spend around 30 weekends per year plus 3 weeks vacation over the summer plus 4 - 5 days over Christmas. About 80 to 90 nights per year.
Our cottage is more about roots than anything else. I am on a 6 person cottage road. 1st property and last property are permanent residents for over 60 years. I adopted the last property owners as my mum and dad lol. They don't have kids. So, there is always a reason to go up. It is like going home. In fact, we say we have a house in Toronto but a home in the Kawartha's. Faster for me to get to a Canadian Tire at the cottage than in Toronto (Royal York and Bloor). Home Hardware, Tim Horton's, Grocery Store, Beer Store and Liquor store are less than 10 minutes away.
Our cottage is more about roots than anything else. I am on a 6 person cottage road. 1st property and last property are permanent residents for over 60 years. I adopted the last property owners as my mum and dad lol. They don't have kids. So, there is always a reason to go up. It is like going home. In fact, we say we have a house in Toronto but a home in the Kawartha's. Faster for me to get to a Canadian Tire at the cottage than in Toronto (Royal York and Bloor). Home Hardware, Tim Horton's, Grocery Store, Beer Store and Liquor store are less than 10 minutes away.
Both our parents have cottages on Lake Muskoka about 12 mins apart by boat.