Notices
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

F1 Baku SPOILERS HEREIN

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-28-2017, 09:09 PM
  #61  
the_vetman
Three Wheelin'
 
the_vetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: PA
Posts: 1,795
Received 19 Likes on 12 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by F1CrazyDriver
Old 06-28-2017, 09:26 PM
  #62  
Coochas
Rennlist Member
 
Coochas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: 01776
Posts: 9,925
Received 397 Likes on 204 Posts
Default

So HAM was driving his 5+ G F1 car at 30 mph through a corner and applying the brake??????

Seems a bit odd.
Old 06-28-2017, 10:23 PM
  #63  
StoogeMoe
Rennlist Member
 
StoogeMoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Poconos PA
Posts: 2,752
Received 106 Likes on 78 Posts
Default

I bet they slap Vettel with a five place grid penalty the next race to "teach him a lesson", and to try to make the championship closer.
Old 06-28-2017, 10:54 PM
  #64  
Manifold
Rennlist Member
 
Manifold's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Mid-Atlantic (on land, not in the middle of the ocean)
Posts: 12,454
Received 3,800 Likes on 2,198 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by StoogeMoe
I bet they slap Vettel with a five place grid penalty the next race to "teach him a lesson", and to try to make the championship closer.
Or better yet, slap a larger time penalty on him at Baku, so that he loses points from Baku.
Old 06-29-2017, 03:47 PM
  #65  
PPo
Drifting
 
PPo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toronto, C eh! N eh! D eh!
Posts: 2,281
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by F1CrazyDriver
Whaut da sheet?

Are the Stewards crazy?!?!

Even if the telemetry is wrong... watch the safety car ahead. Hamilton, by rule, has to keep at most 10 car lengths back. What wheelbase cars are they using to judge? They must be using pimpen rapper limo lengths, not F1 car lengths.
Old 06-29-2017, 04:32 PM
  #66  
Coopduc
Burning Brakes
 
Coopduc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Asheville NC
Posts: 852
Received 252 Likes on 133 Posts
Default

After reading the sporting regs again and watching that video, there is justification to penalize HAM also.
See article 39.5 below:
39.5 No car may be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person at any time whilst the safety car is deployed. This will apply whether any such car is being driven on the track, the pit entry or the pit lane.

HAM clearly violated that and could/should face penalty. Still doesn't justify VETs response IMO.
Old 06-29-2017, 05:22 PM
  #67  
F1CrazyDriver
Drifting
 
F1CrazyDriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 2,029
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

My new shoes arrived today.
Wonder how i can relay the memo to Hamilton, this is what you do after apexing a turn that leads to a pretty lengthy straightway.

tongue in cheek yes i know SC, point is not to drag brakes AFTER apexing, that is brake checking.
Attached Images  
Old 06-29-2017, 05:36 PM
  #68  
Coopduc
Burning Brakes
 
Coopduc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Asheville NC
Posts: 852
Received 252 Likes on 133 Posts
Default

Send a video doing a shoey!
Old 07-03-2017, 04:24 PM
  #69  
Paul Solk
Burning Brakes
 
Paul Solk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,068
Received 120 Likes on 79 Posts
Default

Seb gets off without any further action because he said sorry... There isn't a current F1 driver out there that supported Seb in this one.

In fact in the end it was Seb trying to anticipate when Lewis was going to accelerate and getting his timing wrong. Then lying about being brake checked, then risking both cars by wheel to wheel contact hard enough to lift his own car off the ground, then try to act like a fool and pretend you did nothing wrong and in the end say you are sorry so it's all ok. Poor showing by the FIA IMHO.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...her-punishment
Old 07-03-2017, 04:26 PM
  #70  
Coochas
Rennlist Member
 
Coochas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: 01776
Posts: 9,925
Received 397 Likes on 204 Posts
Default

VET has learned an important lesson here. Next time he will put HAM into the wall.
Old 07-03-2017, 04:28 PM
  #71  
Paul Solk
Burning Brakes
 
Paul Solk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,068
Received 120 Likes on 79 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Coochas
VET has learned an important lesson here. Next time he will put HAM into the wall.
I have a funny feeling Ferrari management may have politely advised him against that or a repeat of his behavior over this past week... Pretty sure the lesson he learned is that he is not bigger than Ferrari and he is still THEIR employee. Just my .02 on the lesson he learned
Old 07-03-2017, 05:36 PM
  #72  
gbuff
Rennlist Member
 
gbuff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,144
Received 366 Likes on 262 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Paul Solk
Ferrari management may have politely advised him against that or a repeat of his behavior over this past week... Pretty sure the lesson he learned is that he is not bigger than Ferrari and he is still THEIR employee.
If so, it was VERY politely as SV has been a crucial part of the team's recent renaissance--they need him and they know it.

Gary
Old 07-03-2017, 05:37 PM
  #73  
gbuff
Rennlist Member
 
gbuff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,144
Received 366 Likes on 262 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Coochas
VET has learned an important lesson here. Next time he will put HAM into the wall.
YEAH baby!!

Gary
Old 07-03-2017, 07:28 PM
  #74  
CCA
Burning Brakes
 
CCA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 972
Received 19 Likes on 16 Posts
Default

Actually, he learned he was wrong, apologized and offered "FIA community service" to avoid further penalty.
http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/...pologising-fia
Old 07-03-2017, 09:15 PM
  #75  
multi21
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
multi21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 15,979
Received 2,905 Likes on 1,725 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by gbuff
If so, it was VERY politely as SV has been a crucial part of the team's recent renaissance--they need him and they know it.

Gary
In this era of no in season testing, I completely disagree. It's the engineers and aerodynamasists that build a great. That's not to say Vettel isn't a great driver, because he clearly is and we can see his performance as compared to his teammate. However, the previous 2 years when the Ferrari was the 2nd or 3rd best car, he couldn't elevate the performance. It's also not Ferrari's style to be openly critical of their #1 driver -- it's all kept in house. Did anyone even know that Alonso and Ferrari did not leave on good terms? Not really.

Rumors are that if Vettel doesn't sign a contract for 2018 and beyond, there's a verbal agreement with Ricciardo to take his seat.

With regard to the FIA and punishing Vettel, when Vettel made those comments, he was in the cockpit and didn't have the luxury of having any data in front of him. The FIA provided those, he admitted guilt and apologized. The 10 seconds penalty may not have been strong enough for some, but that penalty ultimately resulted in him losing the race win and a podium spot -- a pretty stiff penalty considering.


Quick Reply: F1 Baku SPOILERS HEREIN



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 11:52 PM.