Ford trucks
06-09-2016, 10:22 PM
#2
That's going to be tough to figure out. 2017 Super Duties will be aluminum, like the current F-150s. People spooked by the AL may want to buy an "older" new steel one.
I've got a 2010 Expedition, and it's a great truck. However, two weekends ago I was closing the liftgate and noticed what appeared to be a 1" round spot of bubbled paint that appeared to be rust. Well, I"m in TX, and 6 year old cars don't rust here. Turns out the liftgate is aluminum and a very little bit of searching turned up Ford has had longstanding problems with painting aluminum.
On the Expy, the hood and liftgate are AL. As is the hood on the steel F150 as well as the hoods of several of their cars, notably Mustangs. There is a long standing problem of iron contamination causing the paint to bubble off. When bodyworking with aluminum, even microscopic particles of iron will react with the AL under the paint and eventually cause it to bubble off. It is a fairly slow process, but some vehicles show problems in the first two years, or others are like mine, where stuff starts to show in 6 years. This issue will affect bodyshops too, when they have to repair AL panels. After 3 years/36000 miles, Ford offers absolutely no warranty coverage for this.
Long story short, I bought my truck used for a decent price, and I really like it, so I will eventually pay to have the liftgate fixed. However, I was kicking around the idea of buying a new Expy or F150/250 in a couple years, and that idea is on indefinite hold until the AL integrity of the new F150/250 is verified. New Expy is out because there is no way I'm paying $45K for a truck that could have this problem in 2 years.
I also have a couple of Jags, the last model before the AL XJs. I specifically avoided the newer Jags because of the AL. Jaguar also has an AL paint bubble issue, but they are better about fixing the problem to make it right than Ford and appear to have a lower occurrence of it. Ford has had the problem over 10 years and it is a customer lottery. Having possible issues on the hood and liftgate is bad enough - image if the whole body is involved.
Bottom line, is the uncertainty between last year's F250 and next year's F250 is going to be higher than normal due to the aluminum body on the '17s.
Just my $0.02.
-Mike
I've got a 2010 Expedition, and it's a great truck. However, two weekends ago I was closing the liftgate and noticed what appeared to be a 1" round spot of bubbled paint that appeared to be rust. Well, I"m in TX, and 6 year old cars don't rust here. Turns out the liftgate is aluminum and a very little bit of searching turned up Ford has had longstanding problems with painting aluminum.
On the Expy, the hood and liftgate are AL. As is the hood on the steel F150 as well as the hoods of several of their cars, notably Mustangs. There is a long standing problem of iron contamination causing the paint to bubble off. When bodyworking with aluminum, even microscopic particles of iron will react with the AL under the paint and eventually cause it to bubble off. It is a fairly slow process, but some vehicles show problems in the first two years, or others are like mine, where stuff starts to show in 6 years. This issue will affect bodyshops too, when they have to repair AL panels. After 3 years/36000 miles, Ford offers absolutely no warranty coverage for this.
Long story short, I bought my truck used for a decent price, and I really like it, so I will eventually pay to have the liftgate fixed. However, I was kicking around the idea of buying a new Expy or F150/250 in a couple years, and that idea is on indefinite hold until the AL integrity of the new F150/250 is verified. New Expy is out because there is no way I'm paying $45K for a truck that could have this problem in 2 years.
I also have a couple of Jags, the last model before the AL XJs. I specifically avoided the newer Jags because of the AL. Jaguar also has an AL paint bubble issue, but they are better about fixing the problem to make it right than Ford and appear to have a lower occurrence of it. Ford has had the problem over 10 years and it is a customer lottery. Having possible issues on the hood and liftgate is bad enough - image if the whole body is involved.
Bottom line, is the uncertainty between last year's F250 and next year's F250 is going to be higher than normal due to the aluminum body on the '17s.
Just my $0.02.
-Mike
06-09-2016, 11:14 PM
#3
Not a Ford, but I just bought a 2016 GMC 2500 with all the options
I wanted. It listed for $61K, I paid $55K and it was a build to suit.
I'm pretty sure the Fords and Rams will go for similar prices.
I wanted. It listed for $61K, I paid $55K and it was a build to suit.
I'm pretty sure the Fords and Rams will go for similar prices.
06-10-2016, 09:39 AM
#7
Check with your employer, banking facility, Costco, etc. A lot of those offer the X-plan which qualifies for discount with all the rebates, etc. In some cases, depending on location, dealers will even beat that price.
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06-10-2016, 09:50 AM
#8
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The bigger question: which oil is best to use in said truck?
06-10-2016, 11:30 AM
#10
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06-10-2016, 12:36 PM
#11
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Towing 10k lbs / hauling crap around
Will own for 10 years and in that time probably drive 50k miles on it
So long term reliability / comfortable towing crap is what I'm hoping for
06-10-2016, 12:52 PM
#12
Nordschleife Master
06-10-2016, 02:33 PM
#15
Ford has the smoothest, quickest powertrain, more car like. The dodge(Ram) drives and shifts more truck. More growly and grumbly, reminded me of the 7.3 diesels. The cummins uses a tougher CP3 fuel pump and has no glow plugs, and is easier to work on. The Ford 6.7 and Duramax use a CP4 pump which is less tolerant of contaminants.
The Dodge handles better in town, and when towing than my F250 did (08 chassis, which is still the same as in service today, until '17) It is the most sporty driving experience, fat steering wheel, good gauges, firm suspension.
The F250 sagged in the tail and needed air bags and heavy duty WD/sway control help with my 20ft enclosed. The dodge handles a 24ft trailer, with heavier car, with stock suspension and rides level. I have minimal WD and sway control configured, and it tows solid and stable. This is its best feature I feel.
On either you should get at least 10k off sticker for a well trimmed truck.
This is fully loaded with 2 sets of extra wheels, fuel, and a heavy 997 turbo in the trailer.
