911-AL

Selling the set of two for $225 and $25 to ship. Ready to ship!

Pm or email me at newnode@mac.com

911-AL

Bump. $200 shipped takes em!

Gofishracing

throw them out- make a swing out of them.

David993S

PM sent.

911-AL

I'll take $200 shipped for the pair.

911-AL

$175 shipped for the set. I might just keep them for show

hf1

Surprised there's no market for these. Should be great for DE. Sure to be safer than "never-expired" OEM seat belts.

tcsracing1

great deal for D.E

Steamboat

Won't pass PCA tech for DE's......at least in the Rocky Mountain Region. Probably okay for non-sponsored open track days where formal tech is absent or self reported by the driver. So, buyer beware........

That said, I think I'd rather be in an expired six-point that is in good condition than an oem 3 point but, better yet, a current, non-expired 6 point removes any doubt. Not sure this is where you want to save a few bucks.

ExMB

Numerous regions will not accept those for DEs.

hf1

I have yet to see someone thrown out of a DE due to expired harnesses. If someone in the tech line complains, just tell them you'll be using the ("much safer") OEM belts today. As for safety, I wouldn't be worried at all. It's not like they're milk or like they've been sitting in the sun for the last ten years.

ExMB

Are you saying that you have attended DEs that violate PCA minimum standards and are therefore OK with it as well as recommending to ignore rules?

From the PCA DE rule book that all PCA regions should adhere to:

Harness Systems

If the participant chooses to install a five- or six-point driving harness, several changes to the automobile must be made to create a safe occupant restraint system. Harnesses must:

Include an antisubmarine strap.
Have all harness attachment points secured/mounted in an approved manner consistent with the manufacturer’s instructions.
Be used in conjunction with a seat that has the supplied routing holes for the shoulder and antisubmarine belts.
Have the shoulder straps mounted at 90 degrees to the axis of your spine or at most 40 degrees down from horizontal.

The participant should BE AWARE that the addition of such a seat and harness system results in the occupant being fastened upright in the vehicle. Therefore, in order to have a COMPLETE SYSTEM, a properly padded roll bar or roll cage and an approved Head and Neck Restraint System (HANS) device are strongly encouraged and highly recommended. The use of such a harness system without roll protection and HANS may result in an unsafe environment and is not a COMPLETE SYSTEM. If installed, roll bars or cages and their installation must meet PCA Club Racing standards. Due to UV degradation and wear, the harness webbing must be replaced every five years. Four-point systems are not allowed in Porsches because of the integrated headrest supplied by the factory. In addition to the standard SFI and/or FIA-approved five- and/or six-point system, a four-point system is allowed in non-Porsches that meet the following requirements:

Meets the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 209.
Attaches to the factory seat belt mounting points.
Each belt is designed to work in a specific vehicle and that vehicle tag must be attached to the belt system.

An example of a system that meets the above criteria is the Schroth Quick Fit system.


https://www.pca.org/driver-education-minimum-standards

hf1

I said what I was saying, and I'm neither recommending nor forcing you to do anything.

LuigiVampa

I agree that it is safer than a stock OEM seat belt but the fact of the matter is that PCA has been cracking down a little more on safety items recently. Not speaking for any region in particular but I have seen people being told to fix something "for next time" when they are in technical violation of the rules but it is not a real safety issue.

The OEM belts versus an out of date harness is the best example.

I heard that years ago state troopers showed up at NJMP and were checking belts and sending people home. Don't know if that is an urban legend but I guess it could happen.

audipwr1

Just post on another forum, they will sell instantly

If in clean shape much safer than 15 year old 3 points