F1 at Mid Ohio
09-29-2014, 10:57 AM
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Track was surprisingly good this weekend, likely due to unseasonably warm weather. Anytime I can get into the :37's on Nitto's I'll take it.
Short bus ate a rotor on Saturday (knew it was coming no biggie threw on the spares) and then started to get a noisy wheel bearing on Sun so I called it quits since she had to drive home under her own power.
Nice to see you Karen, sorry we didn't get that ride along figured out.
Short bus ate a rotor on Saturday (knew it was coming no biggie threw on the spares) and then started to get a noisy wheel bearing on Sun so I called it quits since she had to drive home under her own power.
Nice to see you Karen, sorry we didn't get that ride along figured out.
09-29-2014, 11:33 PM
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Nice line
09-30-2014, 12:13 AM
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A little work here and you'll find most of the 2.36 seconds you're looking for.
09-30-2014, 05:22 AM
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Aww, man.... are you telling me that I was at Mid-O and missed meeting the world famous Karen England??? 
Weather was great and it was a great event with great people.
The best I could manage all weekend was 1:42.036 on used Hoosiers when I ran them for 2 sessions and 1:43.something on Nitto NT-01s. My best time when I was there last (2nd time) was 1:41 on NT-01s... go figure.
Thanks for the tip on Turn 2. I've been lifting there or even braking slightly. And I overbrake for Turns 1 and 11 (? Turn after Thunder Valley) Guess I need to grow a pair.....
Weather was great and it was a great event with great people.
The best I could manage all weekend was 1:42.036 on used Hoosiers when I ran them for 2 sessions and 1:43.something on Nitto NT-01s. My best time when I was there last (2nd time) was 1:41 on NT-01s... go figure.
Thanks for the tip on Turn 2. I've been lifting there or even braking slightly. And I overbrake for Turns 1 and 11 (? Turn after Thunder Valley) Guess I need to grow a pair.....
09-30-2014, 08:00 AM
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Lowest hanging fruit I see is Turn 2. You're lifting way too early, and overslowing the car for a downshift to 3rd. Instead attack the corner in 4th gear, and save the downshift for the Keyhole braking zone when you're heavy on the brakes. Most cars can take turn 2 flat, but I realize you have a lot of power. Even so you shouldn't need any more than the slightest breathe off the throttle.
A little work here and you'll find most of the 2.36 seconds you're looking for.
A little work here and you'll find most of the 2.36 seconds you're looking for.
I saw you cruising around 
09-30-2014, 10:34 AM
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Track was surprisingly good this weekend, likely due to unseasonably warm weather. Anytime I can get into the :37's on Nitto's I'll take it.
Short bus ate a rotor on Saturday (knew it was coming no biggie threw on the spares) and then started to get a noisy wheel bearing on Sun so I called it quits since she had to drive home under her own power.
Nice to see you Karen, sorry we didn't get that ride along figured out.
Short bus ate a rotor on Saturday (knew it was coming no biggie threw on the spares) and then started to get a noisy wheel bearing on Sun so I called it quits since she had to drive home under her own power.
Nice to see you Karen, sorry we didn't get that ride along figured out.
09-30-2014, 12:52 PM
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09-30-2014, 10:29 PM
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09-30-2014, 11:28 PM
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09-30-2014, 11:33 PM
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10-01-2014, 10:55 AM
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Thanks for the advice. Remember, this was on street tires... not even racing rubber. There was no grip at the entry to the bus stop or the exit turn from it. I tried braking later on entry and the car just pushed too hard. Even while braking into the turn, the car just got too unstable and couldn't get any bite. Then on exit, I tried the 4th gear option (Brian... pro instructor... said to do this) but there's not enough immediate power to get to keyhole. The boost comes on much faster in third. So I'm sacrificing a bit of speed at entry to the bus stop to maintain stability and to set the car up better for the exit from the bus stop. Then there is a moment of usable power at exit by dropping to 3rd. In fourth, the car bogs down.
I managed 147 laps over the course of the weekend and tried everything I could to brake later but each time, I found the car getting upset or I just would run out of traction and track.
BTW... I only know the pro drivers there by first name... Tommy and Brian. What were their last names?
Brian drove my car at 9/10's and his best of three laps was 1:44.09.
I managed 147 laps over the course of the weekend and tried everything I could to brake later but each time, I found the car getting upset or I just would run out of traction and track.
BTW... I only know the pro drivers there by first name... Tommy and Brian. What were their last names?
Brian drove my car at 9/10's and his best of three laps was 1:44.09.
Are you fighting understeer elsewhere?
This is all theory...none of us can account for your cars handling / setup without being in there with you but I agree with Jim that technique change through 2-3 will net you much more time, allow you to roll the center and give you all the front end traction you could want in that situation. Later braking after T2 and holding the trail brake all the way until your (first) apex in 3 will plant the front end and get you pointed exactly where you need to be. It'll allow you enough front end traction to roll the center of T3 5+mph faster negating the need for much acceleration up into the keyhole.
Reviewing my data vs. yours in the video your average MPH through T3 is about 6 mph off my MPH there when I have PS2's on the car....about 8mph off when I have Nitto's.
An additional data point that should reflect front end grip is your car goes through Keyhole, Carousel and over the top of T8 within 1 mph of my car on Nitto's.
That thing goes like heck down the back straight!!! Nearly 150MPH is getting it into the brake zone!!!
10-01-2014, 01:31 PM
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Thanks for the advice. Remember, this was on street tires... not even racing rubber. There was no grip at the entry to the bus stop or the exit turn from it. I tried braking later on entry and the car just pushed too hard. Even while braking into the turn, the car just got too unstable and couldn't get any bite.
Then on exit, I tried the 4th gear option (Brian... pro instructor... said to do this) but there's not enough immediate power to get to keyhole. The boost comes on much faster in third. So I'm sacrificing a bit of speed at entry to the bus stop to maintain stability and to set the car up better for the exit from the bus stop. Then there is a moment of usable power at exit by dropping to 3rd. In fourth, the car bogs down.
I believe you should continue to try and make 4th gear work for you there. I understand you need to maintain boost, but even so in situations like this where you know there is extra speed to be found, its better to use the higher gear, and then go and find the speed that will make the higher gear work. From watching the video I’d be very surprised if the loss of boost in 4th gear is costing you more than overslowing the car with the downshift.
It’s great that Brian Till was able to drive your car. That’s always a great way to speed up your learning curve. However, I can assure you that Brian wasn’t driving it at 9/10ths, even if he told you he was. No responsible pro wants to write you a check for your car, and they will always leave plenty on the table.