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Old 05-17-2014, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dsfnctn
well, who scored Item condition:Used “excellent pre-owned condition.” Ended: May 16, 2014 15:01:07 PDT Current bid:US $60,100.00 [ 43 bids ] Shipping: Will ship to United States. Read item description or for shipping options. Item location:Gainesville, Georgia, United States Seller:
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:47 PM
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Car didn't meet reserve. Spoke to ebay "middle man". no haggle price 89K. I guess even track/DE cars have gone up 30% last two years....
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I just don't think that car will sell at that price.......
Old 05-18-2014, 12:43 AM
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I don't either. I could do that to my '88 for less. CS value is completely gone as, if I recall correctly, the original 3.2 is long gone.
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Originally Posted by tlarocque
I don't either. I could do that to my '88 for less. CS value is completely gone as, if I recall correctly, the original 3.2 is long gone.
" I could do that to my '88 for less" Really? Less what?

The stock 3.2 liter engine had been replaced by a 3.6 liter engine. The 3.6 engine has been increased to a 3.8 liter engine. The 3.8 engine has had numerous upgrades done to it. Entire engine was taken apart and upgraded with all new race grade pistons, rods, bolts, springs, valves, gaskets, rings, etc.

Details:
New Mahle pistons with temperature head sensors
New custom ground cam shaft from 993 supersport
New intake and exhaust valves (largest that would fit in heads)
New valve guides
New 911 race valve springs
Titanium spring retainers
Engine was ported for better air-flow
Intake and exhaust valves have been bored to largest diameter allowable with the cylinder head
Custom ECU reprogramming; optimized fuel and timing maps for 3.8L RS spec engine
321.3 HP (dynoded
280.2 lb-ft of torque
Dual plug’s for each cylinder
993 Varioram intake assembly with harness and ECU, for maximum HP and torque
"Custom 1” race headers installed for maximum HP
Catalytic converter removed for maximum HP
Air intake filter box was open up to increase air flow
Lightweight flywheel for quicker acceleration
Quadratrac rear axles
New fuel pump
Fuel pressure regulator
Flowmaster stainless steel muffler, with heat shield
Dual oil coolers in front, with temperature gauges

Body:
The body has been lightened from the stock steel factory parts by replacing them with fiberglass body parts. The car has the following fiberglass replacement parts for weight savings:
Front hood deck (still has remote cockpit opener)
Front bumper, with the steel bumper shocks removed to save weight (993 appearing bumper)
Front spoiler
Rear bumper, with the steel bumper shocks removed to save weight (993 appearing bumper)
Rear engine deck hood (still has remote cockpit opener)
Rear adjustable RSR wing, with a Gurney lip for additional down force
Stock mirrors have been replaced by low profile manual mirrors for less wind resistance
The front of the car has a “clear bra” installed on it to help reduce rock chips

The bumpers, mirrors, and rocker panels now make the car appear to have a 993 appearance.

Suspension:
New #23 front anti roll bar and kit installed
New #31 rear anti roll bar and kit installed
24mm front torsion bar
Rear sway bar, reinforced at chassis connection
JRZ double adjustable front struts, with remote canisters in trunk
JRZ double adjustable rear shock absorber, with remote adjustable canisters in rear cockpit
Monoball front shock tower-welded in
Steering rack stop
Rear trailing arm Monoball cartridge
911/930 rear shock clevise
911/930 spring plate with billet mount
Rear 450lb coil spring, with 2.25” helper spring
04-28-2011, 02:56 PM

New hollow aluminum strut tower brace
Car is corner balanced

Brakes:
The car has “Big Red” 993 turbo brakes all around. The stock brakes were removed and upgraded to these new brakes. New Pagid orange brake pads are used all around. The stock rotors were also traded out for larger cross drilled rotors.
New cross drilled front rotors in 2006, repacked wheel bearings at same time
930 brake cooling kit on front rotors
Use ATE Blue brake fluid, for high speed racing, and no break fade

Transmission:
The car has a G50-5 speed transmission, with new close ratio chrome molly track gears and steel syncros from 2nd through 5th. Top end is 158mph at redline with the existing gears, which is 7200 rpm. Transmission has a close-ratio custom solid one piece billet aluminum shifter, which sticks up adjacent to the steering wheel for quick, safe shifts. The transmission has an external cooler, installed on the bottom side of the rear deck, with a cabin on/off switch, plus a cockpit temperature meter for monitoring the transmission. Has RSR style chromemoly differential.
Stock first gear
2.40 2nd gear
1.70 3rd gear
1.25 4th gear
1.00 5th gear

Wheels and Tires:
HRE rims with a double chrome finish and Yokohoma 17x225x40’s front and 17x265x40’s rear

Safety features:

Roll Cage:
The existing roll cage has been modified to add additional side impact bars at the driver and passenger seats for safety, and meet racing safety requirements. Cross body bars have also been added to help tie the cage together from side to side. The cage has been welded into the A & B pillar’s of the frame, to help stiffen the chassis. The roll cage meets SCCA race requirements. The cage is a combination of bolted and welded connections.

Racing Harness:
The driver and passenger seats have five position Schroth racing harness, with a quick disconnect with two shoulder straps, one lap strap, and one crotch strap; all straps are adjustable.

Halon Fire Suppression System:
The central fire bottle is located in the air conditioner well (low center of gravity) located in the front trunk area. The cabin pull activator activates nozzles in the trunk, passenger, and engine compartments. The central bottle has a safety pin that can be inserted into the bottle to deactivate the system. A separate fire extinguisher bottle is in front of passenger side seat, bolted to the floor with a quick release attachment.

Fuel Cell:
The stock fuel tank has been replaced by a racing 17 gallon fuel cell with race bladder with fill only from trunk. Additionally, the original outside fill cap has been disconnected, the fuel gauge is located in the cockpit and the fuel cell is by Fuel Safe

Miscellaneous safety items:
Driver’s side rear impact brace installed to seat and roll bar, to prevent seat from sliding back in case of a rear impact. Both seats are adjustable front and back, with hand release at front of seat.
Driver side safety net to cover window if open, to keep debris or arms from flying out in case of an accident.

Miscellaneous:
After market Autometer tachometer, that is mounted in same place in dashboard as old stock tachometer. New tachometer keeps track of maximum RPM, and has reset button. Tachometer is tied into an aftermarket shifter light that is mounted on the dash board, the flashes bright yellow, reminding you to shift before the rev limiter kicks in. You can concentrate on the road, and not have to look at the tachometer.
All important dash gauges are turned for ease of reading at top speed; speedometer, oil pressure, etc.
Pull tow hook installed on front.
Body tie-downs under car, for anchoring during trailering. Came from factory with these installed.
Additional vacuum reservoirs installed in the left rear wheel, to help activate the Vario-Ram quicker. The reservoirs have an aluminum protective shield around them, to protect them from flying debris from the rear wheels.
Hot Lap timer installed in car, with receiver mounted on driver’s side rear window, and read-out mounted on the dash.
After market tachometer shift indicator light mounted on dashboard
Original seats replaced with 8 pound Kevlar Recaro race seats
RSR side door panels to reduce weight in car, with strap door openers similar to RSR.
Hood hold open is an aluminum rod, and the stock heavy springs and hold open have been removed.
Video camera mount between the drivers and passenger seats, mounted on roll bar.
Light weigh racing seats for the driver and passenger, with adjustments for front and back.
Parking brake system has been removed, to reduce unsprung weight of car
Center dash removed to reduce weigh of car
Car heater system has been removed to help reduce weight of car
Momo quick release removable steering wheel, for easy in and out of the driver seat
Small race battery for light weight
Quick disconnect pull for electrical system on outside of car
Padding on parts of the roll cage to help prevent injury, and ease of
Old 05-18-2014, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tlarocque
I don't either. I could do that to my '88 for less. CS value is completely gone as, if I recall correctly, the original 3.2 is long gone.
Nah, you can't.
Old 05-18-2014, 02:57 PM
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Okay, maybe not.
Old 05-18-2014, 05:56 PM
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The way I look at it, it used to be a club sport. Now it's a track car that was built about 8-10 years ago! Don't get me wrong, it's probably a blast to drive! But! There is a beautiful 6gt3 for sale at this forum, Track/DE set up with a lot of nice stuff on it! For about 65k! Someone has put a lot of money into this CS but to find a buyer for it is not easy!
Old 05-18-2014, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 997rs4.0
The way I look at it, it used to be a club sport. Now it's a track car that was built about 8-10 years ago! Don't get me wrong, it's probably a blast to drive! But! There is a beautiful 6gt3 for sale at this forum, Track/DE set up with a lot of nice stuff on it! For about 65k! Someone has put a lot of money into this CS but to find a buyer for it is not easy!
Were I in the market, I'd have no question about which car I prefer.

And it won't boil water...
Old 05-18-2014, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dsfnctn
" I could do that to my '88 for less" Really? Less what?

The stock 3.2 liter engine had been replaced by a 3.6 liter engine. The 3.6 engine has been increased to a 3.8 liter engine. The 3.8 engine has had numerous upgrades done to it. Entire engine was taken apart and upgraded with all new race grade pistons, rods, bolts, springs, valves, gaskets, rings, etc.

Details:
New Mahle pistons with temperature head sensors
New custom ground cam shaft from 993 supersport
New intake and exhaust valves (largest that would fit in heads)
New valve guides
New 911 race valve springs
Titanium spring retainers
Engine was ported for better air-flow
Intake and exhaust valves have been bored to largest diameter allowable with the cylinder head
Custom ECU reprogramming; optimized fuel and timing maps for 3.8L RS spec engine
321.3 HP (dynoded
280.2 lb-ft of torque
Dual plug’s for each cylinder
993 Varioram intake assembly with harness and ECU, for maximum HP and torque
"Custom 1” race headers installed for maximum HP
Catalytic converter removed for maximum HP
Air intake filter box was open up to increase air flow
Lightweight flywheel for quicker acceleration
Quadratrac rear axles
New fuel pump
Fuel pressure regulator
Flowmaster stainless steel muffler, with heat shield
Dual oil coolers in front, with temperature gauges

Body:
The body has been lightened from the stock steel factory parts by replacing them with fiberglass body parts. The car has the following fiberglass replacement parts for weight savings:
Front hood deck (still has remote cockpit opener)
Front bumper, with the steel bumper shocks removed to save weight (993 appearing bumper)
Front spoiler
Rear bumper, with the steel bumper shocks removed to save weight (993 appearing bumper)
Rear engine deck hood (still has remote cockpit opener)
Rear adjustable RSR wing, with a Gurney lip for additional down force
Stock mirrors have been replaced by low profile manual mirrors for less wind resistance
The front of the car has a “clear bra” installed on it to help reduce rock chips

The bumpers, mirrors, and rocker panels now make the car appear to have a 993 appearance.

Suspension:
New #23 front anti roll bar and kit installed
New #31 rear anti roll bar and kit installed
24mm front torsion bar
Rear sway bar, reinforced at chassis connection
JRZ double adjustable front struts, with remote canisters in trunk
JRZ double adjustable rear shock absorber, with remote adjustable canisters in rear cockpit
Monoball front shock tower-welded in
Steering rack stop
Rear trailing arm Monoball cartridge
911/930 rear shock clevise
911/930 spring plate with billet mount
Rear 450lb coil spring, with 2.25” helper spring
04-28-2011, 02:56 PM

New hollow aluminum strut tower brace
Car is corner balanced

Brakes:
The car has “Big Red” 993 turbo brakes all around. The stock brakes were removed and upgraded to these new brakes. New Pagid orange brake pads are used all around. The stock rotors were also traded out for larger cross drilled rotors.
New cross drilled front rotors in 2006, repacked wheel bearings at same time
930 brake cooling kit on front rotors
Use ATE Blue brake fluid, for high speed racing, and no break fade

Transmission:
The car has a G50-5 speed transmission, with new close ratio chrome molly track gears and steel syncros from 2nd through 5th. Top end is 158mph at redline with the existing gears, which is 7200 rpm. Transmission has a close-ratio custom solid one piece billet aluminum shifter, which sticks up adjacent to the steering wheel for quick, safe shifts. The transmission has an external cooler, installed on the bottom side of the rear deck, with a cabin on/off switch, plus a cockpit temperature meter for monitoring the transmission. Has RSR style chromemoly differential.
Stock first gear
2.40 2nd gear
1.70 3rd gear
1.25 4th gear
1.00 5th gear

Wheels and Tires:
HRE rims with a double chrome finish and Yokohoma 17x225x40’s front and 17x265x40’s rear

Safety features:

Roll Cage:
The existing roll cage has been modified to add additional side impact bars at the driver and passenger seats for safety, and meet racing safety requirements. Cross body bars have also been added to help tie the cage together from side to side. The cage has been welded into the A & B pillar’s of the frame, to help stiffen the chassis. The roll cage meets SCCA race requirements. The cage is a combination of bolted and welded connections.

Racing Harness:
The driver and passenger seats have five position Schroth racing harness, with a quick disconnect with two shoulder straps, one lap strap, and one crotch strap; all straps are adjustable.

Halon Fire Suppression System:
The central fire bottle is located in the air conditioner well (low center of gravity) located in the front trunk area. The cabin pull activator activates nozzles in the trunk, passenger, and engine compartments. The central bottle has a safety pin that can be inserted into the bottle to deactivate the system. A separate fire extinguisher bottle is in front of passenger side seat, bolted to the floor with a quick release attachment.

Fuel Cell:
The stock fuel tank has been replaced by a racing 17 gallon fuel cell with race bladder with fill only from trunk. Additionally, the original outside fill cap has been disconnected, the fuel gauge is located in the cockpit and the fuel cell is by Fuel Safe

Miscellaneous safety items:
Driver’s side rear impact brace installed to seat and roll bar, to prevent seat from sliding back in case of a rear impact. Both seats are adjustable front and back, with hand release at front of seat.
Driver side safety net to cover window if open, to keep debris or arms from flying out in case of an accident.

Miscellaneous:
After market Autometer tachometer, that is mounted in same place in dashboard as old stock tachometer. New tachometer keeps track of maximum RPM, and has reset button. Tachometer is tied into an aftermarket shifter light that is mounted on the dash board, the flashes bright yellow, reminding you to shift before the rev limiter kicks in. You can concentrate on the road, and not have to look at the tachometer.
All important dash gauges are turned for ease of reading at top speed; speedometer, oil pressure, etc.
Pull tow hook installed on front.
Body tie-downs under car, for anchoring during trailering. Came from factory with these installed.
Additional vacuum reservoirs installed in the left rear wheel, to help activate the Vario-Ram quicker. The reservoirs have an aluminum protective shield around them, to protect them from flying debris from the rear wheels.
Hot Lap timer installed in car, with receiver mounted on driver’s side rear window, and read-out mounted on the dash.
After market tachometer shift indicator light mounted on dashboard
Original seats replaced with 8 pound Kevlar Recaro race seats
RSR side door panels to reduce weight in car, with strap door openers similar to RSR.
Hood hold open is an aluminum rod, and the stock heavy springs and hold open have been removed.
Video camera mount between the drivers and passenger seats, mounted on roll bar.
Light weigh racing seats for the driver and passenger, with adjustments for front and back.
Parking brake system has been removed, to reduce unsprung weight of car
Center dash removed to reduce weigh of car
Car heater system has been removed to help reduce weight of car
Momo quick release removable steering wheel, for easy in and out of the driver seat
Small race battery for light weight
Quick disconnect pull for electrical system on outside of car
Padding on parts of the roll cage to help prevent injury, and ease of
With the exception of the brakes, every "A" class E car has had roughly the equivalent done to it (3.2 not 3.8 parts, but not a huge cost differential). Those are $35-40k cars max AND have a place to play.
Old 05-18-2014, 11:42 PM
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It really isn't about what has been done to the car. It is whether or not there is a market for the car at the asking price.



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