Pat Long in a 964Cup!
02-04-2014, 09:34 AM
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02-04-2014, 02:41 PM
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We all know Pat is an incredible driver and racer and can do amazing things with almost any car he drives . . . especially 911s. However, I am wondering if he acheived the great lap times by purely his driving talent WITHOUT much time to work on setting up the car to his liking? Or, did he actually have some time to work on setting up the car before he ran these fast laps?
If anyone happens to have been close enough to the action on that day, I would love to know from a high level what kind of setup changes he ended up making to bring the car to his liking? Or, maybe he just jumped in the car with whatever setup it had and just drove the snot out of it?
Also, count me as one more person who is very interested in seeing video if any is available.
Jeff
If anyone happens to have been close enough to the action on that day, I would love to know from a high level what kind of setup changes he ended up making to bring the car to his liking? Or, maybe he just jumped in the car with whatever setup it had and just drove the snot out of it?
Also, count me as one more person who is very interested in seeing video if any is available.
Jeff
I'm sorry to say that as good as we think we are, I don't know any club racers who could jump in a car they don't typically drive, set the class record like that at a major track, and not ball up the car trying. Most likely he was not going 10/10 because the car is loved by the owner and he would not want Pat to risk the car over a club race. That time is amazing in that car, in a generic setup.
02-04-2014, 04:42 PM
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Hey Matt, I'm Chad ***.
It is my understanding that Pat had not driven this car before. He had driven the same owner's '73RSR at Rennsport Reunion and that is how they met. Back then, Pat was walking the paddock looking for owners who would let him drive their car.
It is a very nice car that is well maintained and set up. Still, you look at these cars and they are basically a street car without an interior, shocks, springs, motorsport ABS, and Hoosiers. They even came with a factory radio (am, fm, cassette) The early cups had very little motorsport specific systems. This car in particular is the first 964 cup ever made.
It is my understanding that Pat had not driven this car before. He had driven the same owner's '73RSR at Rennsport Reunion and that is how they met. Back then, Pat was walking the paddock looking for owners who would let him drive their car.
It is a very nice car that is well maintained and set up. Still, you look at these cars and they are basically a street car without an interior, shocks, springs, motorsport ABS, and Hoosiers. They even came with a factory radio (am, fm, cassette) The early cups had very little motorsport specific systems. This car in particular is the first 964 cup ever made.
02-04-2014, 04:53 PM
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Hey Matt, I'm Chad ***.
It is my understanding that Pat had not driven this car before. He had driven the same owner's '73RSR at Rennsport Reunion and that is how they met. Back then, Pat was walking the paddock looking for owners who would let him drive their car.
It is a very nice car that is well maintained and set up. Still, you look at these cars and they are basically a street car without an interior, shocks, springs, motorsport ABS, and Hoosiers. They even came with a factory radio (am, fm, cassette) The early cups had very little motorsport specific systems. This car in particular is the first 964 cup ever made.
It is my understanding that Pat had not driven this car before. He had driven the same owner's '73RSR at Rennsport Reunion and that is how they met. Back then, Pat was walking the paddock looking for owners who would let him drive their car.
It is a very nice car that is well maintained and set up. Still, you look at these cars and they are basically a street car without an interior, shocks, springs, motorsport ABS, and Hoosiers. They even came with a factory radio (am, fm, cassette) The early cups had very little motorsport specific systems. This car in particular is the first 964 cup ever made.
On Hoosiers is even more impressive as
Charlie was probable on Dunlaps, IMO faster than Hoosiers, when he posted his best time .
02-07-2014, 04:35 PM
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02-07-2014, 05:05 PM
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I still have my 964 cup...raced it twice in 2013, and will probably race a few times in 2014 as well
Pat ended up being 1.1 seconds faster than Jupeman. Not shabby by any stretch. If Pat's time was in fact on Hossier slicks, the Dunlops (no longer available) were worth probably another 1-1.5 seconds at a track like Sebring.
As for setup, there is really nothing to adjust other than sways, ride height and alignment. Pretty much every driver in glory days of C1 ran the same setup, so I highly doubt there is much to gain on setup.
Pat ended up being 1.1 seconds faster than Jupeman. Not shabby by any stretch. If Pat's time was in fact on Hossier slicks, the Dunlops (no longer available) were worth probably another 1-1.5 seconds at a track like Sebring.
As for setup, there is really nothing to adjust other than sways, ride height and alignment. Pretty much every driver in glory days of C1 ran the same setup, so I highly doubt there is much to gain on setup.
02-07-2014, 05:10 PM
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I think there's no doubt that Charlie is a pro calibre driver re. being competent and competitive in Transam or World Challenge or Grandam... but ALMS is another step up, and a driver of Patrick's skill/experience yet another step. So, the results IMHO make both of them look good 
02-07-2014, 05:26 PM
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I still have my 964 cup...raced it twice in 2013, and will probably race a few times in 2014 as well
Pat ended up being 1.1 seconds faster than Jupeman. Not shabby by any stretch. If Pat's time was in fact on Hossier slicks, the Dunlops (no longer available) were worth probably another 1-1.5 seconds at a track like Sebring.
As for setup, there is really nothing to adjust other than sways, ride height and alignment. Pretty much every driver in glory days of C1 ran the same setup, so I highly doubt there is much to gain on setup.
Pat ended up being 1.1 seconds faster than Jupeman. Not shabby by any stretch. If Pat's time was in fact on Hossier slicks, the Dunlops (no longer available) were worth probably another 1-1.5 seconds at a track like Sebring.
As for setup, there is really nothing to adjust other than sways, ride height and alignment. Pretty much every driver in glory days of C1 ran the same setup, so I highly doubt there is much to gain on setup.
Track was slow last weekend, a ton of rain and then got warm(mid 80's).
Not ideal conditions for track records.
02-07-2014, 07:18 PM
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I had a chat with him before he went out. Mostly it was about places I thought he could pick up some tenths from watching last year's 12 hour. Glad he took my advice. 
02-07-2014, 07:46 PM
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I had breakfast with the owner before the sprint race where we talked about Pat driving the car. Pat just jumped in it and drove it. No setup, no changes, no seat time, no nuthin.
I'm sorry to say that as good as we think we are, I don't know any club racers who could jump in a car they don't typically drive, set the class record like that at a major track, and not ball up the car trying. Most likely he was not going 10/10 because the car is loved by the owner and he would not want Pat to risk the car over a club race. That time is amazing in that car, in a generic setup.
I'm sorry to say that as good as we think we are, I don't know any club racers who could jump in a car they don't typically drive, set the class record like that at a major track, and not ball up the car trying. Most likely he was not going 10/10 because the car is loved by the owner and he would not want Pat to risk the car over a club race. That time is amazing in that car, in a generic setup.
Jeff
