Did they solve the AIM SOLO accelerometer problem?
11-26-2013, 03:15 PM
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My preference for Traqmate is primarily based on the ease of use of the software. It's simple and straight forward and as a result gets you to the 80% solution very quickly. When I've played around with the AIM software I've not found the same to be true for it. It may be more powerful, but I prefer the simplicity and ease of use of Traqmate. My previous post was a bit flippant, and I don't mean to imply that there isn't value in the AIM product. I just prefer traqmate, and think it's the better solution for the OP.
11-26-2013, 03:34 PM
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My preference for Traqmate is primarily based on the ease of use of the software. It's simple and straight forward and as a result gets you to the 80% solution very quickly. When I've played around with the AIM software I've not found the same to be true for it. It may be more powerful, but I prefer the simplicity and ease of use of Traqmate. My previous post was a bit flippant, and I don't mean to imply that there isn't value in the AIM product. I just prefer traqmate, and think it's the better solution for the OP.
11-26-2013, 03:54 PM
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The Lally event and the AIM data that Doug007 provided are the primary reason I asked the question today. I was impressed at how quickly I was able to look at the AIM data. I went from downloading the SW to actually analyzing data in less than an hour. I do have a technical and scientific background, but I'd never analyzed track data before beyond simple lap times.
It did help that I had some people advising me about the idiosyncrasies of the SW as some of it does come across as inverse Polish notation, but it is pretty effective nonetheless. The SOLO at its $400 MSRP is an impressive package, the DL, not so much for those of use with older cars. IMO, once prices are north of $600 and the install is more complicated then there is more competition from the likes of Traqmate.
AIM's fumbling of the SOLO's accelerometer data hurt them with people like me. Firmware updates are the bain of embedded devices and ones that seem to disable features are the worst.
The discussion has been interesting.
-Mike
It did help that I had some people advising me about the idiosyncrasies of the SW as some of it does come across as inverse Polish notation, but it is pretty effective nonetheless. The SOLO at its $400 MSRP is an impressive package, the DL, not so much for those of use with older cars. IMO, once prices are north of $600 and the install is more complicated then there is more competition from the likes of Traqmate.
AIM's fumbling of the SOLO's accelerometer data hurt them with people like me. Firmware updates are the bain of embedded devices and ones that seem to disable features are the worst.
The discussion has been interesting.
-Mike
11-28-2013, 03:12 PM
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This is very interesting information. Thanks for posting this!
At the time I bought my Solo AIM actually advertised it as having the accelerometers in it. I was very disappointed when I found out they weren't functional.
At the time I bought my Solo AIM actually advertised it as having the accelerometers in it. I was very disappointed when I found out they weren't functional.
11-29-2013, 03:14 AM
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Download and install the latest version of Race Studio 2 (2.53.00) from the AIM SPORTLINE website.
Connect the Solo to your computer and turn it on.
Open Race Studio 2 and select Device Configuration from the left side.
Select Solo DL and click OK.
Then, from the drop down menu next to the measures, select 20 Hz instead of the default 10 Hz for long g and lat g, at least.
Then click "Transmit" on the top of the dialog box.
To finish the job, mount the Solo as it will be oriented in the car.
With the laptop connected and Solo turned on, open Race Studio 2 and select Device Calibration.
Select Auto Calibrate All and click OK on the bottom.
Done!
Connect the Solo to your computer and turn it on.
Open Race Studio 2 and select Device Configuration from the left side.
Select Solo DL and click OK.
Then, from the drop down menu next to the measures, select 20 Hz instead of the default 10 Hz for long g and lat g, at least.
Then click "Transmit" on the top of the dialog box.
To finish the job, mount the Solo as it will be oriented in the car.
With the laptop connected and Solo turned on, open Race Studio 2 and select Device Calibration.
Select Auto Calibrate All and click OK on the bottom.
Done!
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11-29-2013, 10:10 PM
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The Lally event and the AIM data that Doug007 provided are the primary reason I asked the question today. I was impressed at how quickly I was able to look at the AIM data. I went from downloading the SW to actually analyzing data in less than an hour. I do have a technical and scientific background, but I'd never analyzed track data before beyond simple lap times.
It did help that I had some people advising me about the idiosyncrasies of the SW as some of it does come across as inverse Polish notation, but it is pretty effective nonetheless. The SOLO at its $400 MSRP is an impressive package, the DL, not so much for those of use with older cars. IMO, once prices are north of $600 and the install is more complicated then there is more competition from the likes of Traqmate.
AIM's fumbling of the SOLO's accelerometer data hurt them with people like me. Firmware updates are the bain of embedded devices and ones that seem to disable features are the worst.
The discussion has been interesting.
-Mike
It did help that I had some people advising me about the idiosyncrasies of the SW as some of it does come across as inverse Polish notation, but it is pretty effective nonetheless. The SOLO at its $400 MSRP is an impressive package, the DL, not so much for those of use with older cars. IMO, once prices are north of $600 and the install is more complicated then there is more competition from the likes of Traqmate.
AIM's fumbling of the SOLO's accelerometer data hurt them with people like me. Firmware updates are the bain of embedded devices and ones that seem to disable features are the worst.
The discussion has been interesting.
-Mike
My only issue with the original traqmate/chasecam I had was that the unit was defective and traqmate couldn't figure out what was wrong/refused to replace. I also could not easily sync up video to the data, it requires you to go through a calibration step for each session. I thought the AIM unit would be better in this regard, but you can't watch video and data at the same time. The AIM hardware is very nice though.
11-29-2013, 10:29 PM
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Mike, you should check out the traqmate since you can't get CANbus data in your car. I agree with Globe, the software is the most intuitive and quickest to get oriented with. They also have some visuals that are pretty neat, and I've yet to find them in the AIM software. The AIM software is probably the least intuitive of the units I've tried (G2X, Vbox, AIM, Traqmate), but their maths channels (if you need them, I don't) seem to be pretty killer/unique feature. My only issue with the original traqmate/chasecam I had was that the unit was defective and traqmate couldn't figure out what was wrong/refused to replace. I also could not easily sync up video to the data, it requires you to go through a calibration step for each session. I thought the AIM unit would be better in this regard, but you can't watch video and data at the same time. The AIM hardware is very nice though.
11-29-2013, 10:39 PM
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I can't comment, it didn't work on my triggered chasecam 3 years ago. I'm sure they have fixed it by now. The only system I have seen work amazingly well is the VBOX. AIM may overlay data onto the video in realtime (which is cool for about 5 minutes, until you try to compare two laps), but it will not sync video (nor will it play it) with their analysis software.
11-29-2013, 10:55 PM
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The Traqmate TraqSync cable controlling the ChaseCam PDR-100, Sony HDR-CX100, GoPro Hero 2 HD and Replay XD 1080 works reasonably well. The TraqStudio video sync software works really well. The TraqDash is great.
I would say that in 90% of the cases, it works without a hitch, although there have been issues with GoPro f/w versions breaking the synchronized start on the GoPro and some odd issues that I have had (though few others have reported) with the Replay XD 1080. There also is no CAN interface possibility, at all.
I still think the video TBL feature (stitching together your best individual corners from all the laps in ONE session to make a "theoretical best lap" in video) is worth the trouble I have with the other aspects of the system.
Someday, AiM will offer synchronized video window within the analysis window, most likely in Race Studio 3. When that happens, that will be cool. AiM's vehicle-specific CAN and GPS interface is REALLY good, better than all the others and matches or exceeds MoTeC, IMO. The flexibility and power of the AiM software is both good (really great to take analysis to a level FAR beyond TM, VVB and R-K) but also requires a steeper learning curve to learn how to configure the myriad of display variables. The new HD camera is very nice and the MOST robust and shake-free solution I have seen. Now, if I can get it to work with MoTeC, I'll be set!
When I began selling VVBOX three years ago, it was a grade-A PITA. But with the track database auto-installed now (I still have issues integrating the CAN information and using the Micro-Input Box for external inputs on older cars) it is, without a doubt, the easiest to just pull the chip and have synced video and data ready to compare real-time, up to six laps (and/or drivers) in data AND video. For side by side video comparison with data already recorded onto the video, it can't be beat.
There is no such thing as a "bad" system. They all have their pros and cons... Video adds complexity, but I cannot imagine using a data system without it on a regular basis.
I would say that in 90% of the cases, it works without a hitch, although there have been issues with GoPro f/w versions breaking the synchronized start on the GoPro and some odd issues that I have had (though few others have reported) with the Replay XD 1080. There also is no CAN interface possibility, at all.
I still think the video TBL feature (stitching together your best individual corners from all the laps in ONE session to make a "theoretical best lap" in video) is worth the trouble I have with the other aspects of the system.
Someday, AiM will offer synchronized video window within the analysis window, most likely in Race Studio 3. When that happens, that will be cool. AiM's vehicle-specific CAN and GPS interface is REALLY good, better than all the others and matches or exceeds MoTeC, IMO. The flexibility and power of the AiM software is both good (really great to take analysis to a level FAR beyond TM, VVB and R-K) but also requires a steeper learning curve to learn how to configure the myriad of display variables. The new HD camera is very nice and the MOST robust and shake-free solution I have seen. Now, if I can get it to work with MoTeC, I'll be set!
When I began selling VVBOX three years ago, it was a grade-A PITA. But with the track database auto-installed now (I still have issues integrating the CAN information and using the Micro-Input Box for external inputs on older cars) it is, without a doubt, the easiest to just pull the chip and have synced video and data ready to compare real-time, up to six laps (and/or drivers) in data AND video. For side by side video comparison with data already recorded onto the video, it can't be beat.
There is no such thing as a "bad" system. They all have their pros and cons... Video adds complexity, but I cannot imagine using a data system without it on a regular basis.
11-29-2013, 11:13 PM
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The Traqmate TraqSync cable controlling the ChaseCam PDR-100, Sony HDR-CX100, GoPro Hero 2 HD and Replay XD 1080 works reasonably well. The TraqStudio video sync software works really well. The TraqDash is great. I would say that in 90% of the cases, it works without a hitch, although there have been issues with GoPro f/w versions breaking the synchronized start on the GoPro and some odd issues that I have had (though few others have reported) with the Replay XD 1080. There also is no CAN interface possibility, at all. I still think the video TBL feature (stitching together your best individual corners from all the laps in ONE session to make a "theoretical best lap" in video) is worth the trouble I have with the other aspects of the system. Someday, AiM will offer synchronized video window within the analysis window, most likely in Race Studio 3. When that happens, that will be cool. AiM's vehicle-specific CAN and GPS interface is REALLY good, better than all the others and matches or exceeds MoTeC, IMO. The flexibility and power of the AiM software is both good (really great to take analysis to a level FAR beyond TM, VVB and R-K) but also requires a steeper learning curve to learn how to configure the myriad of display variables. The new HD camera is very nice and the MOST robust and shake-free solution I have seen. Now, if I can get it to work with MoTeC, I'll be set! When I began selling VVBOX three years ago, it was a grade-A PITA. But with the track database auto-installed now (I still have issues integrating the CAN information and using the Micro-Input Box for external inputs on older cars) it is, without a doubt, the easiest to just pull the chip and have synced video and data ready to compare real-time, up to six laps (and/or drivers) in data AND video. For side by side video comparison with data already recorded onto the video, it can't be beat. There is no such thing as a "bad" system. They all have their pros and cons... Video adds complexity, but I cannot imagine using a data system without it on a regular basis.
11-29-2013, 11:39 PM
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Mike, you should check out the traqmate since you can't get CANbus data in your car. I agree with Globe, the software is the most intuitive and quickest to get oriented with. They also have some visuals that are pretty neat, and I've yet to find them in the AIM software.
11-30-2013, 12:31 AM
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Video+data normalized to distance (vbox)
Video+data (traqmate, vbox)
Acceleration/coasting (traqmate..not sure of others)
Acceleration circle (traqmate, G2X...might not have found it in RS2 yet)
Brake/Accel Zone Map compare (traqmate)
Custom maps - for the life of me, I can't get a TWS map to be accurate in RS2.
Video+data (traqmate, vbox)
Acceleration/coasting (traqmate..not sure of others)
Acceleration circle (traqmate, G2X...might not have found it in RS2 yet)
Brake/Accel Zone Map compare (traqmate)
Custom maps - for the life of me, I can't get a TWS map to be accurate in RS2.
11-30-2013, 08:27 AM
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Actually, you CAN get much of the latter in RS2, just takes time to set up. John Block at Auto Ware with his fine webinars has been a huge help.
Traqmate video does video normalized to distance without an issue. Probably the most used feature of the integration there is.
What VBOX does that is so cool is that it syncs two (and up to six, but that's over the top!) video laps normalized to position, which eliminates the small differences in distance covered by the two cars counting from the start/finish line and altered by different lines taken. It did not USED to be this way, but they DID fix it. This way, you can compare the attitude of the car at entry, exits and at particular apexes!
Traqmate video does video normalized to distance without an issue. Probably the most used feature of the integration there is.
What VBOX does that is so cool is that it syncs two (and up to six, but that's over the top!) video laps normalized to position, which eliminates the small differences in distance covered by the two cars counting from the start/finish line and altered by different lines taken. It did not USED to be this way, but they DID fix it. This way, you can compare the attitude of the car at entry, exits and at particular apexes!