It's that time of year again!
04-09-2013, 05:50 PM
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What do you know about E cars or stock class sheesh.....haha.
if its faster than me whatever he has different i want illegal, including the driver.
i like the idea of safety on the window and the ever loved seat removal, not sure how its any different than removing the back "seats"...i mean interior though i still have mine.
or for that matter deleting the sunroof in sunroof cars.....mine still works as well, guess its an extra escape hatch.
i could go either way on the remote res....mainly cause i cant afford them....
and 15s dont work eveyone should run 22-30in spinners
if its faster than me whatever he has different i want illegal, including the driver.
i like the idea of safety on the window and the ever loved seat removal, not sure how its any different than removing the back "seats"...i mean interior though i still have mine.
or for that matter deleting the sunroof in sunroof cars.....mine still works as well, guess its an extra escape hatch.
i could go either way on the remote res....mainly cause i cant afford them....
and 15s dont work eveyone should run 22-30in spinners
04-09-2013, 06:51 PM
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Remote reservoir shocks should be allowed as long as I can put a 964 power steering rack in.
The passenger seat requirement should be tossed in the name of safety. How can you argue against that?
The passenger seat requirement should be tossed in the name of safety. How can you argue against that?
04-09-2013, 10:24 PM
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You're right Doug, and it's not just remote but adjustable shocks that need to be addressed. Reid has a good idea, allow them and give them the choice of a weight penalty or class upgrade. As for the 15's, I fought against it as it was a performance gain due to the recently introduced 275/35 tires that in essence gave you a R&P change. It was poo-pood so I (and others) switched to 15's. I understand that 15's were a stock wheel so there is only so much crying I could do.
So is the problem just the remote reservoir? Adjustable shocks? Expensive shocks?
Too me, it is not a well thought out argument against Remote Res. adjustable shocks.
You can have adjustable shocks without the remote reservoir.
Cost? Really....
So hoosier comes out with a 275/35/15(not a size available on any stock porche;-) and everybody runs out gets custom 15" wheels made. That change was inexpensive.
Stock cars came withe rubber suspension bushings, non slotted rotors,soft torsion bars/springs,4x4 ride height,mufflers/cats,ect....there is not much stock about our stock class race cars.
Just because you have adjustable shock does not guarantee any performance advantage.
They have to be adjusted right, I would argue that they are a wash for most people and actually detriment for some.
For the majority of people a set of bilsteins valved by a top shop would be a much better choice.
I'm not trying to say that adjustable shocks aren't a performance advantage-- they can be in the right hands, but they are a bit over hyped in terms of performance gain.
If you put on adjustable shocks and pick up 2-3 seconds , then you had a pretty crap set up on the car before the change.
Too me, it is not a well thought out argument against Remote Res. adjustable shocks.
You can have adjustable shocks without the remote reservoir.
Cost? Really....
So hoosier comes out with a 275/35/15(not a size available on any stock porche;-) and everybody runs out gets custom 15" wheels made. That change was inexpensive.
Stock cars came withe rubber suspension bushings, non slotted rotors,soft torsion bars/springs,4x4 ride height,mufflers/cats,ect....there is not much stock about our stock class race cars.
Just because you have adjustable shock does not guarantee any performance advantage.
They have to be adjusted right, I would argue that they are a wash for most people and actually detriment for some.
For the majority of people a set of bilsteins valved by a top shop would be a much better choice.
I'm not trying to say that adjustable shocks aren't a performance advantage-- they can be in the right hands, but they are a bit over hyped in terms of performance gain.
If you put on adjustable shocks and pick up 2-3 seconds , then you had a pretty crap set up on the car before the change.
04-10-2013, 01:15 AM
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You're right Doug, and it's not just remote but adjustable shocks that need to be addressed. Reid has a good idea, allow them and give them the choice of a weight penalty or class upgrade. As for the 15's, I fought against it as it was a performance gain due to the recently introduced 275/35 tires that in essence gave you a R&P change. It was poo-pood so I (and others) switched to 15's. I understand that 15's were a stock wheel so there is only so much crying I could do.
BTW, M030 944's-968's did come from the factory with rebound adjustable Koni shocks/struts.
So once again, its the damn water pumpers fault.
05-21-2013, 08:58 AM
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PCA Club Racing - Rules suggestions for rules revisions and changes for 2014. The period of submission is April 1st - June 1st. Suggestions may be sent to crrules@pca.org
I'll keep trying....
I submit that, for Stock Class cars, the removal of the passenger seat is allowed. From a "Stock" standpoint, none of the cars running in the "Stock Classes" are showroom stock. All cars must make weight, it offers NO competitive advantage. What it does offer is better safety. Egress out the passenger side is faster without a seat to climb over. In a very bad situation it's one less thing to both burn and be bent over to block egress. Rear and right rear quarter vision is greatly improved.
I'll keep trying....
I submit that, for Stock Class cars, the removal of the passenger seat is allowed. From a "Stock" standpoint, none of the cars running in the "Stock Classes" are showroom stock. All cars must make weight, it offers NO competitive advantage. What it does offer is better safety. Egress out the passenger side is faster without a seat to climb over. In a very bad situation it's one less thing to both burn and be bent over to block egress. Rear and right rear quarter vision is greatly improved.
05-21-2013, 09:33 AM
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I just want the room it gives you with the seat removed. My cool suit chest barley fits on the passenger side floor and is a pain to get in and out and I have my fire bottle behind the seat. I would love to reposition them to make them easy to service. I have not had someone in my right seat for two years
05-21-2013, 10:31 AM
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I just want the room it gives you with the seat removed. My cool suit chest barley fits on the passenger side floor and is a pain to get in and out and I have my fire bottle behind the seat. I would love to reposition them to make them easy to service. I have not had someone in my right seat for two years
Have I mentioned the vent window?
The seat and the vent are both big time safety issues. "I'm stuck and I can't get out."
05-21-2013, 10:55 AM
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How about setting up a Poll? A bunch of us keep submitting the same thing, but nothing changes. I have not met one person who wants a right passenger seat in Stock/Prepared classes. However, when I asked about our submission, the response I got was "We got your inquiry, but that doesn't mean we are going to change anything". Sort of thinking the organization is not listening to its customers...
