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Old 11-28-2011 | 12:56 PM
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Does your motor have a wide torque curve or (I'm thinking) most of the power is up top in the RPMs?
Since it is a short stroke 2.5L, the max torque on the dyno was 168 ft/pounds. Its pretty flat from 5100 RPM to about 7200 RPM, then it drops a little after that (not much). HP crosses the torque line at 5200 RPM, and continues to rise until around 7400 RPM where it goes flat for around 210hp.
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Originally Posted by Plavan
Since it is a short stroke 2.5L, the max torque on the dyno was 168 ft/pounds. Its pretty flat from 5100 RPM to about 7200 RPM, then it drops a little after that (not much). HP crosses the torque line at 5200 RPM, and continues to rise until around 7400 RPM where it goes flat for around 210hp.
I'm thinking that this car is fastest when the motor is spinning, which involves keeping the rear loose and keeping it up on the powerband. My 3.4 L Gt car loses momentum when the rear wheels get too much grip, especially early to mid corner. Settle the rear end down on the way out. I would assume that this would be more of an issue with less pulling power.
That looks like an awesome car-where driving the snot out of it is rewarded- in the proper hands.
Old 12-20-2011 | 11:35 PM
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I know it's been a while since this actually occurred, but I just got around to running it on the blog today.
Old 12-21-2011 | 03:10 AM
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Glad this got brought back to the top, missed it the first time around.

Now you "youngsters" just separate an excellently built car like this a few notches back into its original form with 185/70-15 Michelin XWX (Bandag recaps, no less) and you can imagine how I got schooled coming into these things when I was 18.

Oh, and even though the only time I've been to Chuckwalla was on a track tour by management a couple of weeks before it opened, isn't that banked turn a near dead-on replica of Riverside T9? Only wish there was about a mile long straight leading into it..........
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Originally Posted by race911
Oh, and even though the only time I've been to Chuckwalla was on a track tour by management a couple of weeks before it opened, isn't that banked turn a near dead-on replica of Riverside T9? Only wish there was about a mile long straight leading into it..........
I'm such a youngster, I've never even seen T9 at Riverside. It was destroyed 20 days before my second birthday.
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I love this vid....but it just makes winter longer...
Old 12-21-2011 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Turb-OH Brad
I'm such a youngster, I've never even seen T9 at Riverside. It was destroyed 20 days before my second birthday.
Well I only got there one time, as a driver anyway.

Was neat that I was able to experience what's left of Bridgehampton a couple of months ago when on Long Island.

Wasn't racing more fun during the simpler times? At this point I know I don't really care if I ever compete again. Even a Spec 911 (see other thread) is usually prepped to a level (and accompanied by an entourage) beyond what most IMSA efforts consisted of when I started. First IROC I ever saw in person arrived on a crap open trailer behind a beat up pickup at Willow early one Saturday AM for an SCCA National, with a chain smoking "mechanic" about 2 years older than me asking if there was enough room on the dirt next to us to unload the car.
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Well,
I just reviewed this video very closely today in prep for my visit to Chuckwalla this weekend. What is interesting is how Pat Long is changing up his in turn gears quite abit on the first few laps. With the on board speed it is interesting to see how each gear changes the car. In some cases higher/lower gear seems to have little differnec in speed, but in others it is more noticable. Clearly which gear you are in does impact the stability of the car and not only is he turning fast laps, but also refining his gear selection each lap.

Very interesting and helpful as i expect my 944 spec to be slower on the straights and a few mph slower in each corner. Adjusting for those factors I have an idea what to expect and where to lose speed and where to carry it. Seems like most corners are straight forward , drive them as double apex 180's with minimal straight in between, except for the off camber turn 9. That one can sneak up on you. I have feeling I won't have the power oversteer issues Long did on the exit of turn 5 because I don't have that much HP.
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Originally Posted by M758
Well,
I just reviewed this video very closely today in prep for my visit to Chuckwalla this weekend. What is interesting is how Pat Long is changing up his in turn gears quite abit on the first few laps. With the on board speed it is interesting to see how each gear changes the car. In some cases higher/lower gear seems to have little differnec in speed, but in others it is more noticable. Clearly which gear you are in does impact the stability of the car and not only is he turning fast laps, but also refining his gear selection each lap.

Very interesting and helpful as i expect my 944 spec to be slower on the straights and a few mph slower in each corner. Adjusting for those factors I have an idea what to expect and where to lose speed and where to carry it. Seems like most corners are straight forward , drive them as double apex 180's with minimal straight in between, except for the off camber turn 9. That one can sneak up on you. I have feeling I won't have the power oversteer issues Long did on the exit of turn 5 because I don't have that much HP.
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...oh crap, if that's per view I'm in the hole like $50k...

I've been going over this for the last few weeks, having run the track in the cup it's going to be interesting in the boxster...this clip is a great tool. Joe your going to love it, hopefully we get good turnout...
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Chad,
great video, thanks for sharing. I remember seeing the story of the first time you ran one of these events with Pat, what a cool deal for everyone. Makes me want to sell my 964 race car and go back to a real 911 race car, I remember how much work those are to drive fast, you can never relax.
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Hey Chad-

Are you running Chuckwalla this weekend with us?
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Originally Posted by race911
Wasn't racing more fun during the simpler times? At this point I know I don't really care if I ever compete again. Even a Spec 911 (see other thread) is usually prepped to a level (and accompanied by an entourage) beyond what most IMSA efforts consisted of when I started. First IROC I ever saw in person arrived on a crap open trailer behind a beat up pickup at Willow early one Saturday AM for an SCCA National, with a chain smoking "mechanic" about 2 years older than me asking if there was enough room on the dirt next to us to unload the car.
I resemble that remark..... I use the same trailer, picture is pre 911ST treatment and a 99' Ford F250 replaced the Cayenne 2 years ago. I like showing up with my POS $750 trailer that I have had for 12 years and putting a beat down on Tractor Trailer Rig cars with full crews . I do borrow my Dad's 20ft enclosed sometimes. No crew, just me and some wrenches. I guess this is real vintage racing

I plan on ordering a new 22' enclosed trailer this year though. My Open trailer is not worthy of my race car.....
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Originally Posted by MelanomaMan
Hey Chad-

Are you running Chuckwalla this weekend with us?
Unfortunately no. VARA races there later this month, but I am R&R'ing the suspension bushings front and rear. I fell for the "While I am there Syndrome" and am making everything pretty and new again suspension wise.

The front of the car is done, I'm just still working on the rear. I took the transmission and motor out also. I had a bearing going bad on the 901, so that was rebuilt. Since the trans was out (of course), I decided to go with a new lightweight clutch package. Then..... I decided to plumb in a trans-cooler with fan..... I may not even make the first race of the season. I have been way too busy with work to mess with the car. You are never done working on a race car right?

I did finally put in some cool rear 911R windows though. Very fitting I may say.
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