Sumflow

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I am glad the race is in Austin for us Texans. I am glad F1 is returning to America for all of us, and for all the race fans.

But the Austin track and deal certainly was no secret. There are no secrets in the race business anyway. I am suer that tracks on the East coast and on the West Coast, as well as the associated cities had a lot of time to figure their moves and see if they could rope a deal in. It just did not happen. And they had 20 yeqars or so to come up with something.

I would guess that with all the regulation in California, and maybe New York and others prevented some of that. Dont want any gas and noise pollution you know. Hell there was a certain amount of that down in Austin and even from the City Council politicos - but a lot of them are "from" somewhere else nowadays. And then there was the issue of a track to their liking. And most of all the issue of money. While Texas is kicking in some on the that tax deal, there are many more financial issues. Even like permitting - i bet the East and West municipalites wanted a real slice for even that.

I know the Long Beach race got scrapped on finances, and the Glen was safety issues I think?

But as you say to really get off the mark here they are going to need US content from the manufacturers and US drivers. I know Ford tried that unsuccessfully to the tune of over a $100 million a year. With both NASCAR getting the money (as it should as it gives the companies bang on their bucks), and another fledging Indy car series (which doesn't return zero), I am not sure if I was President of GM, Ford, etc I would spring for F1 either.

But it will still be good to have F1 back here in the US. They need another Mario Andretti to appear !

I believe Barber would have been a good move too. Probably not enough out there to lure in all the F1 fans though.

If I had my way it would a city street race all the way. And I bet it happens in Miami sometime too.

Have to get Raptor working on a Rennlist party set up down there !

 

Mario won his first Grand Prix at the 1971 South African Grand Prix on his debut driving for Enzo Ferrari.

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Originally Posted by TexasRider

They need another Mario Andretti to appear!

Mario Andretti was born into an Italian family in Motovun, Croatia, Istria, Italy.

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Originally Posted by Sumflow

Show me an american driver, winning in an american car, in a F1 race in modern times.

Looks to me like an Italian driver, thinking in Italian, driving an Italian car, the Italian way, for an Italian owner known to hire Italian drivers.

 

I guarantee you that Mario refers to himself as an American. Sure he has Italian ancestry, drove other cars, etc - but he has always referred to himself as American. Even more since his first Indy race. I mean he is an American. Italian born but American nonetheless.

By my recollection he and his family had to live in a refugee camp before their request for America came through.

And I think he was driving a Lotus when he won the World Championship.

And finally beings he won in Indy, in dirt cars, in stock cars, and in Formula 1, and even tried drag racing ....... and is an American ....... is why I said we need him back again. AJ too. Got to love this kind of drivers. Americans do, although they like and respect Vettel, Shumacher, etc.... but to get them there in big numbers and get Ford and Chevy in again you are going to need another Mario-like to emerge.

 

Are you serious? ROFLMAO ...

George Lucas was at this year's 2011 Montreal Grand Prix and the BBC interviewed him prior to the race asking him since he was an F1 racing fan if he would be making a racing movie. His response was "People aren't interested in these sorts of movies, they want to see the real thing" (maybe not these exact words, but that was the jest).

No wonder NASCRASH is America's preferred form of racing. It's all a bunch of artificially engineered Hollywood garbage. ROFLMAO in how you think racing is only racing when Hollywood (the most fake form of anything in this entire world) makes a movie about it. Tell me? Is Sly Stallone's "Driven" movie the sort of Hollywood film we should all be worshiping? That thing was pure 100% Hollywoord garbage.

 

More Canadian crap......

Scott

 

Why bring nationalities into this? Let me guess, you think "Driven" was a classic and you are upset now that someone could see through all the Hollywood bull****.

 

You don't like what Sumflow wrote? Pick on Sumflow. Don't attack my country....especially just before or on it's Independence Day.

Scott

 

If someone is allowed to practice their free speech by claiming F1 sucks, then others should be allowed to claim, hey NASCAR is crap. After all NASCAR is crap. How many other forms of racing will throw out a yellow flag when the dreaded sandwich wrapper appears on the track but on the last lap when all hell is breaking loose with cars crashing into each other and smashing into walls, is a yellow flag shown? In NASCAR no no yellows on the last lap. ROFLMAO.

By the way, while I prefer a certain German automaker, I think the Chevy Corvette is a fantastic race car with a rich history in the motorsports world. This nationalism where only one nation is the best and all others are 2nd class, is a complete joke. Wake up and join the global community. We don't all have to be enemies of each other because of our nationalism. I don't dislike your country (wherever did you get this idea). I lived in CO for 8 fantastic years. I had a lot of fun in those 8 years.

 

Baltimore street circuit?

 

My993C2,

Again, you want to criticize someone for the comments they make? Go for it. You want to criticize NASCAR? Go for it. Just don't insult the US with comments like:

"...you really need to start paying more attention to the entire world instead of hiding in your "we are the best" isolationist shell. America is the only place that holds World Championship competitions and purposely does not invite the rest of the world to their World Championships. Football is one of the rare cases where you can call yourself World Champion since there really is only one other country in the world who plays your brand of football and Canada would not have a hope in hell in winning. But I always laugh when a US based NHL hockey team calls themselves World Champions, when the NBA team calls themselves World Champions and when a MLB team calls themselves World Champions. In case you have not been paying attention, you have NOT won every time you played hockey, baseball and basketball. How about inviting the rest of the world to your World Championships. When you can beat everyone then you can call yourself the World Champ."

"Your country is in deep trouble. Every dominate society in the history of humanity has fallen. What makes you think you are any different? You are making the same mistakes the Romans made."

"No wonder NASCRASH is America's preferred form of racing. It's all a bunch of artificially engineered Hollywood garbage. ROFLMAO in how you think racing is only racing when Hollywood (the most fake form of anything in this entire world) makes a movie about it. Tell me? Is Sly Stallone's "Driven" movie the sort of Hollywood film we should all be worshiping? That thing was pure 100% Hollywoord garbage."

You keep saying you like the US. But all you do is bash it.

Scott

 

Why not? Is your skin so thin that you can not accept criticism? You want to criticize Canada? Be my guest. I might just join in when I agree with certain things which may be said.

Every nation has made mistakes. No nation is perfect. Failure to learn from mistakes means they will be repeated. Every dominate society in the history of humanity has fallen. If you actually paid attention to global history instead of your localized history you would realize this. I mentioned the US is in trouble right now? What part of reality do you fail to recognize? Government and consumer debts are at all time highs and less and less jobs exist for the masses. Dude I believe in market economies, I vote conservative. I am no socialist. But when there are no jobs, there are no consumers and the system can not sustain itself. It does not seem to matter if a Donkey or an Elephant sits in the White House, government debt continues to sky rocket. The US is not alone here (look at parts of Europe), but it is sad you fail to recognize what is going on and that you get hostile when people point out the obvious.

If the only free speech you believe in is when you approve of the message, well then that's not free speech and that's not what our ancestors fought and died to preserve. I sure hope you do realize that winning World War II was a team effort. America was a major partner in this victory, but so was Russia, the UK and all the other allies. Put down the American history book and pick up a global one. You might be surprised what you see.

 

My993C2,

It's not a free speech issue. If you want to continue to insult the US, do it in the appropriate forum. I don't want to read that crap here where it has no place.

I have not said that the US is perfect. I have not said the US has not made mistakes. I have not said the US is not facing challenging economic issues. All I have said is don't insult the US here in this forum.

You have absolutely no idea what I do or don't know. You have no idea what my background is. You are making some seriously condescending remarks about what I should have paid attention to, what I should realize, and what I should see in books. Yet you have zero idea of what I have paid attention to, what I realize, or what I have read. Who the hell do you think you are?

You want to pontificate about the US? Do so in the Off Topic forum where that dribble belongs.

Scott

 

I love when people from outside the US rag on the US and then whine about "free speech".

Scott is right: take it to an appropriate forum, C2. Good lord, have some respect. Do we come and **** all over Canadian car forums ragging on Canada on your independence day?

What a troll.