DaveM993

...or gas

enduro911

I swear...this sh*t about team orders needs to get solved. I absolutely hate this political BS...and it's not just because it involves Ferrari, it's because it makes no goddamned sense.

from: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/07/2...pass-on-massa/
Ferrari fined, World Motor Sport Council to examine Alonso’s pass on Massa
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July 2010 by Keith Collantine

Ferrari have been fined $100,000 for breaking the Sporting Regulations during the German Grand Prix.

The stewards of the race have also referred the matter to the World Motor Sports Council. The result of the race stands for the time being.
Fernando Alonso passed Felipe Massa to win the German Grand Prix after the team had been heard instructing Massa that he was slower than his team mate.

Massa admitted after the race he let Alonso past but said he did so of his own choosing.

The stewards found Ferrari guilty of breaking article 39.1 of the Sporting Regulations which forbid team orders that influence the outcome of the race.

They additionally adjudged it to be a transgression of article 151c of the International Sporting Code, relating to bringing the sport into disrepute, the same section that McLaren were famously found in violation of in 2007.

mdrums

Well another boring F1 race! I am really losing interest and getting sick of F1. After the Ferrari team order to Massa to allow Big Head Fred to pass I quickly tuned into the NASCAR Brickyard 400.

F1 totally sucks! I'm done with this series of racing. These guys can't drive for chit. They can't pass without wrecking. For open wheel racing Indy is so much better.

Veloce Raptor

A fiasco that also directly involved...
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Fernanda Alonsette.

Coincidence? I think not.








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chris walrod

Massa took the high road, truly a company man. Although, I would have preferred to see Massa ignore the radio (radio problems??) let her pass him on her own..

mdrums

...also I am sick of watching F1 in standard definition on a high Def TV...WTF?!?!?!?

The NASCAR race today was much more involving and interesting. I'm settling in for the Indy race in Edmonton now.

Larry Herman

Calling Mr. Wayne, Mr. A.Wayne:

Please tell us all how this pass was any less disgusting than the race that Schumacher was gifted from Barichello. And oh yeah, that was Ferrari too, wasn't it.

Luis de Prat

Sure, like when he passed Kubica at Silverstone and it cost him a drive through penalty... I don't think so.


After that wise decision of the stewards, there will be even less drivers taking chances to pass now than before. Today was a perfect example of what they've achieved.

PPo

Awwww... come on amjf088 please stay... just long enough to see if Villineuve will actually return to the sport!

Perhaps some of you are being a little sensitive... The way I see it, Ferrari where going to finish 1-2 anyhow, so the order to me really doesn't matter. Second, all teams have always used team orders, and they will continue to use team orders... the rule is silly and should be removed. I know David Coulthard agrees with me, but what does he know about F1?

Maybe Ferrari should have lied about the team rules and say: "Webber... Uhh... I mean Massa, use a different fuel setting and let Vettel, I mean Alonso catch and pass you."

or: "Hey Massa, use this wing because you are not leading the points for the team."

Don't like team orders? Well it happens in all levels of racing, it is part of the sport, you should try to accept that. F1 and the FIA are just being ignorant because a bunch of childern get thier diapers in a knot when teams try to win....

The bottom line is that Massa was pissed off by the call, and he made it to blatant and obvious. Massa a team player? I don't think so, not this race...

Perhaps they should have orchestrated it better like McLaren does... ;-)

ltc

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Fernando Alonso on proving why he is a 2X WDC.
I am grateful that I had the race on the DVR, as I was able to watch it over and over, since I simply could not believe the skill needed to execute such a pass, so cleanly, so effortlessly.
I still can not understand how he could have carried SO much exit speed out of that corner to make it look like the car he passed was sitting still...simply amazing.

ltc

^ + 1

To quote Fernando Alonso (from a radio transmission earlier in the race)....

"this is ridiculous"

ltc

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/07/2...o-alonso-poll/

Ferrari controversially instructed their drivers to change places while leading the German Grand Prix.

Felipe Massa allowed Fernando Alonso by into the lead on lap 48 after receiving a coded message from race engineer Rob Smedley.

Before the change of places Smedley was heard to say:

Alonso is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?
Rob Smedley

Not long after the message was broadcst Massa slowed at the exit of the hairpin and Alonso went pass. Afterwards Smedley told Massa:

OK mate, good lad. Stay with him now. Sorry.
Rob Smedley

The BBC’s Ted Kravitz reported a “flurry of discussion” in the 12 laps leading up to the change of position.

Ferrari clearly orchestrated the change of position and could find themselves in trouble with the sports’ governing body. Article 39.1 of the Sporting Regulations

agdamis

Such hatred for Alonso, wow. I believe 100% that Ferrari needs to stop team orders as they have been doing it as long as I can remember but I do not see you guys beating up Schumacher about it or the team themselves. Alonso is still the best current driver in my book and apparently his peers think so as well, as he was voted best driver by the current drivers in the field.

Excellent to see Massa get his confidence back and excellent to have a three team / six driver championship with Ferrari looking competitive again.

Luis de Prat

No kidding. I wonder if they feel the same about Jorge Lorenzo for winning the Moto GP U.S. Grand Prix a few minutes ago at Laguna Seca. The track even played the Italian anthem instead of Spain's by mistake.

As for Hockenheim, Massa was blocking Alonso for lap after lap. He was clearly slower and has even less of a chance of attaining WDC than Alonso.


After what happened to Alonso by passing Kubica at Silverstone and getting a drive-through penalty, he was not about to risk the stewards getting their nappies in a bunch again making him lose the race.

So the team made the call, as any team would.

RSA333

The reality is that Alonso was not that much faster than Massa. If the team wanted Alonso to pass, then he should have accomplished it by out-racing Massa.

Again, a blatant call of "Team Orders" by Ferrari. Is the only judgment against them going to a $100,000 fine? - that's nothing. Alonso should be stripped of his win (DNF). This is a gross and obvious violation, I hope further action is undertaken. But we all know that Ferrari has "preferred status" with the F1 governing body.