Aluminum Enclosed Trailer weights?
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This whole slippery slope thing is brutal man. Lewis, YGM,....and thank you!
Mike,....you know. Geez, nice crystal ball.
And RJ, you are right there are some good deals out there. The 2011 F-250 diesel will now come with a 6 speed auto box. I am leaning toward the Dodge 2500 diesel with a few comfort options like the rear back up camera for hooking up the trailer!
The HUGE thing is that my wife said I COULD get a tow vehicle. It would be nice next winter as well not to rely on my 997TT as my DD.
Mike,....you know. Geez, nice crystal ball.
And RJ, you are right there are some good deals out there. The 2011 F-250 diesel will now come with a 6 speed auto box. I am leaning toward the Dodge 2500 diesel with a few comfort options like the rear back up camera for hooking up the trailer!
The HUGE thing is that my wife said I COULD get a tow vehicle. It would be nice next winter as well not to rely on my 997TT as my DD.
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I use a 2008 GMC Acadia to haul a 2700# 944 S2 on an open aluminum Trailer World 18' trailer with tire rack. It's V-6 is rated at 275HP.
The Acadia is only rated to tow 4500#, so I was forced to buy the 1100# aluminum trailer. I couldn't be happier with the trailer, although I would like to eventually get an enclosed trailer, which would require a larger tow vehicle.
I am really surprised that the Acadia is doing quite well with this setup. Mileage is about 15-16. The key, though, is a stabilizer / pitch control hitch system, which help keep the load level and maintains stability in a crosswind and at speed. I have no trouble cruising at 65-75 MPH. It would be a disaster without this setup.
The Acadia is only rated to tow 4500#, so I was forced to buy the 1100# aluminum trailer. I couldn't be happier with the trailer, although I would like to eventually get an enclosed trailer, which would require a larger tow vehicle.
I am really surprised that the Acadia is doing quite well with this setup. Mileage is about 15-16. The key, though, is a stabilizer / pitch control hitch system, which help keep the load level and maintains stability in a crosswind and at speed. I have no trouble cruising at 65-75 MPH. It would be a disaster without this setup.
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Yes, the enormous torque of a diesel is nice when towing, but that is a secondary benefit of towing with a 3/4 ton truck. The "beef" of the chassis/drivetrain is what makes towing with one so effortless. The brakes, transmission, engine cooling, transmission cooling, and payload are the key. The ability to go heavy on tongue weight keeps the trailer tracking straight and true. A diesel is best, but if for any reason you don't want one save 10 grand, get a gas 3/4 ton and get all the critical assets.Again, the power is the least important part of the equation. When I upgraded from a 1/2 ton to a 3/4, towing went from "work" to a seamless drive in the country.
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I'll agree with the diesel P/U also.
In addition to the power and towing/weight capacity the longer wheelbase is what makes towing much less of a chore. The whole platform is much more stable. One other thing is that as soon as you get your trailer you're going to realize that you HAVE to take all this extra stuff that you wondered how you ever got along without!
I have a, F-350 SRW, CC, LWB 4X4 that has the longest wheelbase possible and I could not be happier when towing my 24' Milenium V-nose.
Just don't take it to the mall if you don't have to.
In addition to the power and towing/weight capacity the longer wheelbase is what makes towing much less of a chore. The whole platform is much more stable. One other thing is that as soon as you get your trailer you're going to realize that you HAVE to take all this extra stuff that you wondered how you ever got along without!
I have a, F-350 SRW, CC, LWB 4X4 that has the longest wheelbase possible and I could not be happier when towing my 24' Milenium V-nose.
Just don't take it to the mall if you don't have to.
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Dave,
I don't know what your goals are, but there is some sage advice here and in the other countless towing threads.
Save yourself the time, hassle, and eventual $$$ from the constant upgrading LOL.
RE the Cayenne, my S's tongue weight limit is listed as 616#. How'd they come up with that? I'd hate to think what my dynamic tongue weights were when pulling my loaded enclosed.
U4 and sml are spot on. Chassis is what you need and you WILL be bringing all that extra stuff.
I wouldn't do an 18' looking at your stable. I barely have enough room in my 20' with the V-nose.
I don't know what your goals are, but there is some sage advice here and in the other countless towing threads.
Save yourself the time, hassle, and eventual $$$ from the constant upgrading LOL.
RE the Cayenne, my S's tongue weight limit is listed as 616#. How'd they come up with that? I'd hate to think what my dynamic tongue weights were when pulling my loaded enclosed.
U4 and sml are spot on. Chassis is what you need and you WILL be bringing all that extra stuff.
I wouldn't do an 18' looking at your stable. I barely have enough room in my 20' with the V-nose.
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Yep! That's why I'll buy a Ram 2500 Diesel as my next daily driver - to tow my new - but not yet to ordered from Chris - Pace trailer...
Towing with my Ram 1500 is great, but with years of use, it is now a bit too soft at the back, makes towing a little more involving when there's lot's of wind...
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I have nothing to add here, but I love reading these trailer threads as they are so educational for me. I have only a Trailex 7541 open, so that with the SC is what, a tick under 3500 lbs. So even with a tools and a jack (I don't bring spare wheels), I am well under 4K lbs towed by the standard Suburban 1500. Man what a pleasure towing this rig where I used to tow with a Volvo XC90. The latter was thoroughly capable, but as has been stated here the longer wheelbase of the Suburban really makes a difference in stability.
I sometimes wonder what it would be like to trade up to an enclosed trailex, but after reading threads like this, I think I'll stick to the "inconvenience" of a light, open rig ...saves me from getting the larger 'Burb!
Edward
I sometimes wonder what it would be like to trade up to an enclosed trailex, but after reading threads like this, I think I'll stick to the "inconvenience" of a light, open rig ...saves me from getting the larger 'Burb!
Edward
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About a diesel.
you don't need a diesel to get the job done. A gasser will work to.
I recommend for a 24ft trailer to get a 3/4 ton truck. You want a chassis capable of carrying the weight and loads. Diesels are nice, but today even the standard gassers in GM/Dodge and 6.8 in Ford have plenty of hp and torque to get the job done.
I tow with a 2500 Dodge V10. The truck tows great and is very smooth and quiet. I picked up my trailer in San Antonio and hauled it all the way back to Phoenix non-stop 1000 miles. Other than not having the right tow mirrors it was not big deal despite the winds. Once I put weight in the trailer and got the right mirrors it towed even better. Rock solid and you only notice it on hills. Otherwise I can cruise in top gear at 1700 rpm with no effort. Pretty freeking low for a gasser, but that is what 8.0L does.
I towed 750 miles from Phoenix to SLC (Miler) last summer. The drive was all day long and I must have crossed 6000ft 5-6 times and peaked over 800 feet. 50% of the trip was on 2 lane roads and 90% over 4000ft. Tough haul, but I arrived a Miller non the worse for wear. Very happy.
BTW... I went from open trailer to my 24ft one. I am very happy I have a 24. Lots of space up front for a custom bench with east access with the car still loaded. There was even room for full size bbq grill behind the car. I just love being able to organize all my crap so I can get to it fast. The less time I spend packing/unpacking and setting up the more time I have to bs with the other racers.
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+1, you really need real tow mirrors, preferably the OEM ones. I just drove a 1500 GMC with standard mirrors and a 20 ft enclosed and God I was missing my big Dodge mirrors, particularly in town. All manufacturers offer those optional tow mirrors.
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On the other hand.
i just ran my open back from Barber (to North of Atl) in periodic driving rain. The car was nicely rinsed when I got back and even with no windows and rear NACA ducts, very little to no rain inside. Fresh!
But I still want an enclosed. If it had rained when packing up to leave or upon arrival I would have been pissed. Will put a/c in there when I do.
i just ran my open back from Barber (to North of Atl) in periodic driving rain. The car was nicely rinsed when I got back and even with no windows and rear NACA ducts, very little to no rain inside. Fresh!
But I still want an enclosed. If it had rained when packing up to leave or upon arrival I would have been pissed. Will put a/c in there when I do.
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My 2010 ATC weighs in at 3704 with full interior, cabinets and 5200 lb axles. ATC has done some engineering work to lighten their trailers in recent years and weights on their website are out of date on many trailer sizes.
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