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Old 11-16-2009, 10:09 AM
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That was inevitable, the real news of the day is that avatar....
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Hahaha! What WILL be interesting is how the relationship between Mercedes and McLaren morphs....

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Wow, I guess that the prognostications that Brawn will become a mid-pack car in 2010 for lack of development resources were in error.
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I believe this will be the last engine deal Mercedes has with McLaren now that they have their own full team. It's apparent with the likelihood of Button moving to McLaren that they will be an all English team. I'm wondering who their engine supplier will be after this deal is over.
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Originally Posted by Larry Herman
Wow, I guess that the prognostications that Brawn will become a mid-pack car in 2010 for lack of development resources were in error.
Agree !

With Mercedes engines, money and Button , Brawn will be as successful as Toyota
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Originally Posted by A.Wayne
Agree !

With Mercedes engines, money and Button , Brawn will be as successful as Toyota
Button will not be driving for Brawn, it will be Rosberg and Heidfeld. Why MB would want Heidfeld is beyond me. How is this guy still in F1??? So it's an all German line up of Rosberg and Heidfeld in the works Mercedes team vs. Hamilton and Button in the former works team. I'll take Hamilton and Button over those other 2.
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Originally Posted by Pete
I believe this will be the last engine deal Mercedes has with McLaren now that they have their own full team. It's apparent with the likelihood of Button moving to McLaren that they will be an all English team. I'm wondering who their engine supplier will be after this deal is over.
I don't think so. Look at the other Mfg's supplying engines like Ferrari, Renault, Toyota etc... Plus MB and McLaren have road car agreements too. I think that relationship is pretty solid...but who knows.
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Cosworth to McLaren?
Lots of strong personalities involved here....I suspect the 'visible' effect will be minimal, but I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall in some of the meetings....What will be more interesting will be 2011, with the departure of Bridgestone. Will we finally see tires that have the correct lateral (and more importantly, vertical) stiffness split for the cars, unlike this past seasons' mismatch?

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The following is pretty long, but in essense MB never liked Ron Dennis and didn't like the fact McLaren is now making road cars. McLaren will buy back 40 percent stake MB has in McLaren by 2011. MB now owns 75.1% of Brawn and will try to build that team as Ferrari has done over a 60 year period, but it doesn't happen over night. It's in both Mercedes and McLarens best interest to continue their relationship for a few years as MB needs to learn how to be it's own team (see BMW/Sauber) and McLaren can't just find a new engine partner with a handful of months to go before the season starts. Both will learn from each other.

Here is the article on the split....


McLaren explain split with Mercedes
McLaren and Mercedes-Benz have today announced their new realigned long-term strategic alliance. The deal includes the engine supply for the next 6 Formula 1 seasons (2010-15) and also provides mechanisms whereby the partnership may continue beyond 2015.

The reaffirmation of the two companies’ commitment to each other is the result of many weeks of careful and co-operative discussion between the McLaren Group and Daimler AG (the parent companies of, respectively, McLaren Racing and Mercedes-Benz) and covers both parties’ continued involvement in the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes Formula 1 partnership as well as a shared intention to act in the overall best interests of the sport of Grand Prix racing. It also reflects the independent vision of both companies with regard to their automotive production strategies.

The realigned long-term strategic alliance is reflected in three principal resolutions, as follows:

Mercedes-Benz: to power McLaren’s Formula 1 cars until 2015

Having begun in 1995, the McLaren/Mercedes-Benz partnership is already one of the longest engine-supply associations in Formula 1 history; 2009 was its 15th consecutive year and 2015 will be its 21st consecutive year, by which time it will have become by some margin the longest such association in Formula 1 history. Both the McLaren Group and Daimler AG were therefore committed to securing its continuation as part of a realigned long-term strategic alliance, and to have provided mechanisms whereby the partnership may continue beyond 2015. The team will continue to be known as Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, its distinctive silver-with-red livery will remain unchanged, and Mercedes-Benz will continue as both an engine supplier and a partner.

McLaren Group: to purchase Daimler AG’s 40 per cent shareholding

In a transaction structured so as to be completed by 2011, the McLaren Group will undertake a phased purchase of the 40 per cent shareholding currently owned by Daimler AG. As a result, the McLaren Group will become a fully independent stand-alone corporate entity.

McLaren Automotive: spun out of the McLaren Group

The McLaren Group will continue as the parent company of McLaren Racing (and Vodafone McLaren Mercedes), McLaren Marketing, McLaren Electronic Systems, McLaren Applied Technologies and McLaren Electronics Inc (USA), focusing chiefly on Formula 1 and associated technologies, while McLaren Automotive has been spun out of the McLaren Group and from 2011 will begin to manufacture its own range of high-performance production sports cars, targeted to penetrate a series of meticulously-selected premium automotive market segments. As such, McLaren Automotive will continue to develop according to a robust business strategy that has been formulated with McLaren’s customary prudence and rigour. The McLaren Group and McLaren Automotive will continue to evolve in line with their respective business strategies, and may in time adopt slightly different shareholder groupings, but they will always share a common goal: to be the best in the world in their respective fields.

Ron Dennis (Executive Chairman, McLaren Automotive; Founding Shareholder, McLaren Group) said:

“This is a win-win situation, for both McLaren and Daimler.

“I’ve often stated that it’s my belief that, in order to survive and thrive in 21st-century Formula 1, a team must become much more than merely a team. That being the case, in order to develop and sustain the revenue streams required to compete and win Grands Prix and World Championships, companies that run Formula 1 teams must broaden the scope of their commercial activities.

“Nonetheless, all of our partners will of course continue to play a crucial role in our Formula 1 programme. For that reason, and because the engines they produce are very competitive, we’re delighted that Mercedes-Benz has committed to continue not only as an engine supplier but also as a partner of ours until 2015 – and perhaps thereafter.

“The next few years will be a very exciting time for McLaren, during which period we intend to become an ever-stronger technological and economic force. Formula 1 will always be a core activity, for sound business reasons as well as for historical sporting reasons: to be clear, our Formula 1 business has traditionally enjoyed great financial security, largely as a consequence of the longevity of our contracts with our partners, many of which have exceeded 15 years of continuous involvement with McLaren. Indeed, two of our partners have been with us for more than 25 years.

“We’re risk-averse by design. Over the past two years we’ve analysed in great detail the challenge of entering the high-performance production sports car market. In the MP4-12C, which will be introduced to market in 2011, we have a car that has inherited the genes of the iconic McLaren F1 of 1994 and has already been the subject of much global media acclaim. It is proposed that it will be produced in a new state-of-the-art production facility adjacent to the existing award-winning McLaren Technology Centre at Woking [Surrey, UK].”
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Originally Posted by Larry Herman
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The real question now is with this buyout, will Ross Brawn still be managing the team?


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Hate to ruin the discussion, but here are the answers to most questions: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80175

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what are we talking about here? The only thing I see is Veloce Raptor's new avatar. Can I request pics like Larry?


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