Why I don't like Alonso
10-02-2009, 02:44 PM
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Why I don't like Alonso
I bet that a lot of other folks here feel the same.
I have certain expectations of top level racers. I expect them to compete, fiercely, on the track. I prefer that there is no blocking, but the rules makers control that, so I live with blocking.
I prefer that they run a clean race, but I also know that with fierce competition, most will cross that line at some point. Hence I tend to forgive crossing that line on track when it is directed at the car they are currently racing against.
I don’t like team orders in F1, but the championship is set up to encourage it. That said, I expect the real racers to refuse to cross certain lines; putting someone else in danger (especially workers or fans) in such BS.
Off track, I expect a pretty high level of ethics. Participating in stealing other team’s secrets is unacceptable. The only thing worse than going along with unethical activities, is going along then using those activities to blackmail others (teammates, the team, sanctioning body, etc).
Bottom line, for me, is that I will continue to respect a driver who occasionally crossed the line on-track, but have no tolerance for a driver who can’t control their ethics off-track. In my book, Alonso=FAIL (great driver, lousy human being) and I have lost a lot of respect for Ferrari, as a team, for bringing him in.
I have certain expectations of top level racers. I expect them to compete, fiercely, on the track. I prefer that there is no blocking, but the rules makers control that, so I live with blocking.
I prefer that they run a clean race, but I also know that with fierce competition, most will cross that line at some point. Hence I tend to forgive crossing that line on track when it is directed at the car they are currently racing against.
I don’t like team orders in F1, but the championship is set up to encourage it. That said, I expect the real racers to refuse to cross certain lines; putting someone else in danger (especially workers or fans) in such BS.
Off track, I expect a pretty high level of ethics. Participating in stealing other team’s secrets is unacceptable. The only thing worse than going along with unethical activities, is going along then using those activities to blackmail others (teammates, the team, sanctioning body, etc).
Bottom line, for me, is that I will continue to respect a driver who occasionally crossed the line on-track, but have no tolerance for a driver who can’t control their ethics off-track. In my book, Alonso=FAIL (great driver, lousy human being) and I have lost a lot of respect for Ferrari, as a team, for bringing him in.
10-02-2009, 02:46 PM
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I bet that a lot of other folks here feel the same.
I have certain expectations of top level racers. I expect them to compete, fiercely, on the track. I prefer that there is no blocking, but the rules makers control that, so I live with blocking.
I prefer that they run a clean race, but I also know that with fierce competition, most will cross that line at some point. Hence I tend to forgive crossing that line on track when it is directed at the car they are currently racing against.
I don’t like team orders in F1, but the championship is set up to encourage it. That said, I expect the real racers to refuse to cross certain lines; putting someone else in danger (especially workers or fans) in such BS.
Off track, I expect a pretty high level of ethics. Participating in stealing other team’s secrets is unacceptable. The only thing worse than going along with unethical activities, is going along then using those activities to blackmail others (teammates, the team, sanctioning body, etc).
Bottom line, for me, is that I will continue to respect a driver who occasionally crossed the line on-track, but have no tolerance for a driver who can’t control their ethics off-track. In my book, Alonso=FAIL (great driver, lousy human being) and I have lost a lot of respect for Ferrari, as a team, for bringing him in.
I have certain expectations of top level racers. I expect them to compete, fiercely, on the track. I prefer that there is no blocking, but the rules makers control that, so I live with blocking.
I prefer that they run a clean race, but I also know that with fierce competition, most will cross that line at some point. Hence I tend to forgive crossing that line on track when it is directed at the car they are currently racing against.
I don’t like team orders in F1, but the championship is set up to encourage it. That said, I expect the real racers to refuse to cross certain lines; putting someone else in danger (especially workers or fans) in such BS.
Off track, I expect a pretty high level of ethics. Participating in stealing other team’s secrets is unacceptable. The only thing worse than going along with unethical activities, is going along then using those activities to blackmail others (teammates, the team, sanctioning body, etc).
Bottom line, for me, is that I will continue to respect a driver who occasionally crossed the line on-track, but have no tolerance for a driver who can’t control their ethics off-track. In my book, Alonso=FAIL (great driver, lousy human being) and I have lost a lot of respect for Ferrari, as a team, for bringing him in.
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10-02-2009, 02:49 PM
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I agree. It is one thing to come up with a boneheaded move in the heat of battle. It is quite another to concoct and consider the ramifications of planned maneuverings.
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10-02-2009, 02:50 PM
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I am shocked to hear that Ferrari would invite such disruption to their well oiled organization.
Ferrari won WDC and Constructor's Title in 2007. Last year they missed WDC by 1 screw up with the fuel rig on Massa's car.
Why do this?
Ferrari won WDC and Constructor's Title in 2007. Last year they missed WDC by 1 screw up with the fuel rig on Massa's car.
Why do this?
10-02-2009, 03:00 PM
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I can't believe they signed him in light of all that has transpired at Mclaren AND Reneault. I think Ferrari will live to regret this decision. This man simply comes with too much baggage.
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10-02-2009, 03:08 PM
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It is difficult for me to understand why Ferrari brought him in.... I mean, we probably only know 1/2 of the **** FA does off track.... The Santander sponsorship $$$$ must be the driving force.
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10-02-2009, 03:23 PM
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10-02-2009, 03:41 PM
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I bet that a lot of other folks here feel the same.
I have certain expectations of top level racers. I expect them to compete, fiercely, on the track. I prefer that there is no blocking, but the rules makers control that, so I live with blocking.
I prefer that they run a clean race, but I also know that with fierce competition, most will cross that line at some point. Hence I tend to forgive crossing that line on track when it is directed at the car they are currently racing against.
I don’t like team orders in F1, but the championship is set up to encourage it. That said, I expect the real racers to refuse to cross certain lines; putting someone else in danger (especially workers or fans) in such BS.
Off track, I expect a pretty high level of ethics. Participating in stealing other team’s secrets is unacceptable. The only thing worse than going along with unethical activities, is going along then using those activities to blackmail others (teammates, the team, sanctioning body, etc).
Bottom line, for me, is that I will continue to respect a driver who occasionally crossed the line on-track, but have no tolerance for a driver who can’t control their ethics off-track. In my book, Alonso=FAIL (great driver, lousy human being) and I have lost a lot of respect for Ferrari, as a team, for bringing him in.
I have certain expectations of top level racers. I expect them to compete, fiercely, on the track. I prefer that there is no blocking, but the rules makers control that, so I live with blocking.
I prefer that they run a clean race, but I also know that with fierce competition, most will cross that line at some point. Hence I tend to forgive crossing that line on track when it is directed at the car they are currently racing against.
I don’t like team orders in F1, but the championship is set up to encourage it. That said, I expect the real racers to refuse to cross certain lines; putting someone else in danger (especially workers or fans) in such BS.
Off track, I expect a pretty high level of ethics. Participating in stealing other team’s secrets is unacceptable.
The only thing worse than going along with unethical activities, is going along then using those activities to blackmail others (teammates, the team, sanctioning body, etc).Bottom line, for me, is that I will continue to respect a driver who occasionally crossed the line on-track, but have no tolerance for a driver who can’t control their ethics off-track. In my book, Alonso=FAIL (great driver, lousy human being) and I have lost a lot of respect for Ferrari, as a team, for bringing him in.
Why i don't like Alonso and Schumacher
I'm sure by WDC no 5 things will be different .
Ferrari finally has a better driver than Shoooomacher , i expect Fernanado to deliver , regardless of how many Siestas the Italians take ...
10-02-2009, 03:47 PM
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And, on cue, there it is: BUT....BUT....BUT....SCHUMACHER!!!!!
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10-02-2009, 04:20 PM
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If your point is (and you have repeatedly raised this) that FA is not a douche because MS did the same or worse, then all I can offer is some additional logic along the same lines. I would conclude that you think that Manson is not so bad because Hitler was worse. Great logic there A Whine.
BTW, you might not have noticed that Bush is no longer President either. I am pretty sure that you were on TV blaming Bush for Chicago losing the Olympic bid.
Alonso is toxic and I have no respect for him. It doesn't matter that there are others I do not respect, my opinion of FA remains the same. It does, however, make me wonder if he really won either of those 2 WDCs, or were enough of those races thrown too. Perhaps FA is really a 0 time WDC. Hmmm. Now why don't you try real hard to stay on the topic of my OP - that is Alonso, not any of the past drivers.
10-02-2009, 04:26 PM
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I like Alonso. I think he really puts his heart into his racing. I don't want to make too many assumptions about Singapore but I still don't see why it was worth cheating to get him a win. He was not competing for any honors, nor was the team. All risk, no reward. I wish him the best at Ferrari and I want him to do well, despite the storm of drama and constant deprecation that is sure to follow him. He can drive.
Also, take no offense to this please, but we need to quash the idea that professional racing is, or ever was, about being ethical. Cheating is Rule #1. Always has been and always will be.
Also, take no offense to this please, but we need to quash the idea that professional racing is, or ever was, about being ethical. Cheating is Rule #1. Always has been and always will be.
10-02-2009, 05:01 PM
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Alonso is toxic and I have no respect for him. It doesn't matter that there are others I do not respect, my opinion of FA remains the same. It does, however, make me wonder if he really won either of those 2 WDCs, or were enough of those races thrown too. Perhaps FA is really a 0 time WDC. Hmmm. Now why don't you try real hard to stay on the topic of my OP - that is Alonso, not any of the past drivers.
10-02-2009, 05:04 PM
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I'm surprised by how well all of you know Alonso. I don't know him at all. This I do know. The new boss at McLaren was quoted as saying they never should have let him go. When Renault had a chance to get him back they jumped at it and when Ferrari had a chance to sign him they made him the highest paid athlete in the world.
So the people that work day to day with FA and actually know him as a driver and a person seem to think he's great. Maybe they're not as connected as the Rennlist Anti-Alonso team.
So the people that work day to day with FA and actually know him as a driver and a person seem to think he's great. Maybe they're not as connected as the Rennlist Anti-Alonso team.
