I propose a voluntary national dyno program
#46
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Who's to say that someone applies the same concepts that you did and gets the same results? As they say about 911s, every one is different. The very concept of gentleman's racing presumes that we take care of each other...and also help each other out from time to time. That's the fun and challenge of it. Remember, no $$ to win.
As for "every one is different", that's only in very small details. Spring rates, damper curves, engine tricks, etc aren't something that will work totally different from one 1979 911 to another.
From the little I've seen, we help each other out. I need some ballast 'cause I'm having trouble making weight...someone steps up and lets me borrow their spare tire. Someone busts a trasmission or rocker arm, someone else donates the part or helps wrench the car back into shape overnight for the next race.
Hell, I've lost races before because we were so busy helping other racers with their mandantory pit stops, that I couldn't even get in to make my mandantory pit stop before the pit window closed. Helping racers out with parts, wrenching, crew, etc, etc is absolutely a part of gentleman's racing. Handing your competitor your setup secrets instead of making him earn them isn't.
Would you slow down and point your competition by during the race in the name of "helping him out"? Of course not. Wrench on his car and lend him a spare clutch so he can get back out on track and race with you, but don't hand him the secrets to going fast.
Winning a class without any competition completely misses the point entirely.
#47
Drifting
Didn't you also just invest a small fortune on a suspension upgrade? To be sure, it was a prerequesite to work on your driving skills (after you shared that vid from earlier this summer...). But it also increased the potential of your car.
Why do we spend money to go faster? My wife keeps asking me this question. Help!
Why do we spend money to go faster? My wife keeps asking me this question. Help!
There will always be cheaters in all aspects of life.......
Why are we shocked it happens in PCA CR?.....
Personally I decided to work on the driver itself......
I can't be called a cheater for that......
It would be nice to have a fair playing field in CR..... but then again I should stop fantasizing......
Why are we shocked it happens in PCA CR?.....
Personally I decided to work on the driver itself......
I can't be called a cheater for that......
It would be nice to have a fair playing field in CR..... but then again I should stop fantasizing......
Last edited by FredC; 09-10-2009 at 09:09 AM.
#48
Mr. Excitement
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The dyno can be easly cheated and HP is not the question as HP levels are not regulated in the PCA CR rules. Listed things done to the motor are. Many things can be inspected or measured such as displacment, cam timing and lift, piston dome shape, intake type and internal size and the like can all be checked in static form. Running ATF in the trans is not banned but will give some more HP to the wheels at the cost of the gear box in short order. Carefull slection of parts and tuning to a fine degree are not banned but grinding often is. Look for the banned stuff.
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Hell, I've lost races before because we were so busy helping other racers with their mandantory pit stops, that I couldn't even get in to make my mandantory pit stop before the pit window closed. Helping racers out with parts, wrenching, crew, etc, etc is absolutely a part of gentleman's racing. Handing your competitor your setup secrets instead of making him earn them isn't.
Would you slow down and point your competition by during the race in the name of "helping him out"? Of course not. Wrench on his car and lend him a spare clutch so he can get back out on track and race with you, but don't hand him the secrets to going fast.
Would you slow down and point your competition by during the race in the name of "helping him out"? Of course not. Wrench on his car and lend him a spare clutch so he can get back out on track and race with you, but don't hand him the secrets to going fast.
Isn't that what could theoretically happen if your car is so much better developed than the rest of your class? If everyone else has 200 hp and you legally have 220? There'll be cars on track in your class, but they can't realistically compete over the course of a 30-60 minute race. You'll be lapping on your own without any real competition. Not as much fun as protecting the inside line or trying to get a run on someone on the back straight...even if I'm 10th in class out of 15.
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Didn't you also just invest a small fortune on a suspension upgrade? To be sure, it was a prerequesite to work on your driving skills (after you shared that vid from earlier this summer...). But it also increased the potential of your car.
Why do we spend money to go faster? My wife keeps asking me this question. Help!
Why do we spend money to go faster? My wife keeps asking me this question. Help!
Why do we spend money to go faster? Great question......
#51
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Isn't that what could theoretically happen if your car is so much better developed than the rest of your class? If everyone else has 200 hp and you legally have 220? There'll be cars on track in your class, but they can't realistically compete over the course of a 30-60 minute race. You'll be lapping on your own without any real competition. Not as much fun as protecting the inside line or trying to get a run on someone on the back straight...even if I'm 10th in class out of 15.
Beating the guy with 220 with your 200 and mad skilz. Now thats a Win. Having a 2 car race in the back of the pack is a win too. I have seen plenty of guys that were below the crease come in after a race and spend 20 min as a group reliving the race all smiles and hands making car movements.
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Seeing as I know nothing about spark plug gaps, ignition timing, or any of that other "science" and have never had my car dynoed, I would be there too!