Spec 911 For Sale on eBay
07-30-2009 | 07:51 PM
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Jack: Cost containment does not mean cheap/inexpensive, it means taking steps to limit the ability to throw money at a car to improve it's performance and to maintain reasonable operating expenses. The rules are to try and make the race into a test of driver skill as opposed to budget. An inexpensive car can be competitive with a good driver - I believe that Tyson does most the work on his car and he drives it to and from the track. He's a front runner and has placed first on a number of occasions. Paying a lot for a car does not ensure you run in the front of the pack, only skill will allow that.
We have another class in PRC called GTL that allows bigger engines (3.6) and lighter weight (2300 lbs with driver) that allows us to run with the cup cars at a significantly reduced 'running cost' (engines that last 100+ hours, a spec tire that lasts 2-3 weekends, etc).
PRC races have a split start with the GT cars in the first group and the GTS and 944 spec in the second group. The GT cars are generally faster than the 911 spec (GTS) cars and we start to lap the slower ones about lap 6 or 7. (We start to lap the 944 spec cars in lap 3 or 4.) A 911 spec car is generally much faster than a PCA stock or improved car because the weight is a lot less.
We have another class in PRC called GTL that allows bigger engines (3.6) and lighter weight (2300 lbs with driver) that allows us to run with the cup cars at a significantly reduced 'running cost' (engines that last 100+ hours, a spec tire that lasts 2-3 weekends, etc).
PRC races have a split start with the GT cars in the first group and the GTS and 944 spec in the second group. The GT cars are generally faster than the 911 spec (GTS) cars and we start to lap the slower ones about lap 6 or 7. (We start to lap the 944 spec cars in lap 3 or 4.) A 911 spec car is generally much faster than a PCA stock or improved car because the weight is a lot less.
07-31-2009 | 05:30 AM
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07-31-2009 | 05:31 AM
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07-31-2009 | 05:35 AM
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My point is that it probably doesn't have to cost even $50k for a ground up build for a competitive car. Pro built or DIY...
None of this is meant to be "cheap" or inexpensive, but folks put a lot of things on their cars that add cost and don't make the car any faster. Fancy shocks, bushings, sway bars, brakes, data acq., the list goes on and on. Sure they can help, but you can probably go fast enough to be competitive without them.
The businesses that have built some of these cars are great, and terrific supporters of the class-- we couldn't have success without them. But they are businesses after all. For folks that need to be completely reliant on pros to build, maintain and support their cars, we are lucky to have great practitioners like Rothsport, S Car Go, Jerry Woods Enterprises, WEVO, TC Design and so on. These companies need to have healthy margins to survive, and we all need them all to enjoy our hobby.
But this class is not just for wealthy ex-ceo's, doctors, and business owners... we have all kinds of folks and at various times much less spendy cars run up front. It is not just a class with reduced operating costs compared to running factory iron-- there is more to it than that.
Mark's car is a great opportunity for the right buyer, but it isn't accurate to say you need to spend that much to be competitive in that class.
None of this is meant to be "cheap" or inexpensive, but folks put a lot of things on their cars that add cost and don't make the car any faster. Fancy shocks, bushings, sway bars, brakes, data acq., the list goes on and on. Sure they can help, but you can probably go fast enough to be competitive without them.
The businesses that have built some of these cars are great, and terrific supporters of the class-- we couldn't have success without them. But they are businesses after all. For folks that need to be completely reliant on pros to build, maintain and support their cars, we are lucky to have great practitioners like Rothsport, S Car Go, Jerry Woods Enterprises, WEVO, TC Design and so on. These companies need to have healthy margins to survive, and we all need them all to enjoy our hobby.
But this class is not just for wealthy ex-ceo's, doctors, and business owners... we have all kinds of folks and at various times much less spendy cars run up front. It is not just a class with reduced operating costs compared to running factory iron-- there is more to it than that.
Mark's car is a great opportunity for the right buyer, but it isn't accurate to say you need to spend that much to be competitive in that class.
yes, i agree that you dont need to spend 70-100k in this class to have fun.
i was just saying that 70-100k is NOT UNCOMMON in this class.
07-31-2009 | 11:23 AM
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07-31-2009 | 12:15 PM
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As I mentioned earlier, but will take this opportunity to restate... Several of the Spec 911 drivers came from Cup cars for these reasons - not many Cup cars run in the Northwest or Northern Cal - bigger grids in Spec 911. Lower running costs in tires, fuel and engine life in Spec.
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08-01-2009 | 03:27 AM
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you can't get a NICE cup for 911 spec money. a nice 996cup is around high 80 and beyond. by nice i mean cars that haven't been raced professionally, no retub, and i dont need rebuild for another two seasons.
if you find a good cup for sub 70+, pls let me know.
08-01-2009 | 04:17 AM
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I meant for the $110K spent to build that car, in two years I bet a 997 Cup can EASILY be had for that. I fully understand the asking price for his car, I have about $50K invested in mine and wish I could get close to that. Maybe his engine cost $60K? Other than that its an SC with whatever mods. You west coast guys are all billionaires anyway, go for it (or buy Phelps winery and do tours) !
08-01-2009 | 01:02 PM
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Which, I suppose is why I'm waking up in my little sub-$400K house with the freeway onramp view in Oakland this dreary Saturday morning..............
Bottom line is that willingness to part with cash is nothing more than willingness to part with cash when it comes to amateur racing.
Bottom line is that willingness to part with cash is nothing more than willingness to part with cash when it comes to amateur racing.
08-05-2009 | 05:11 PM
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No sale in the eBay auction. The car is still available - photos and info on my website. Price reduced to $69,000. Spec 911 For Sale
