PF97s
03-16-2009, 09:43 AM
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On the 997.1, you'd probably want Yellow 29s up front and Black 14s in back to help even out the brake bias issue. I understand that's improved on the 997.2 - I won't know myself until mine shows up next month.
Regardless, Pagid is about $100 more for a set. I've run both PFC 97s and Yellow 29s (all 4) and Yellow / Black combinations. Both are very comparable and are about the same in how they treat the rotors. Pagids are more finicky on bed-in and are very thick - so if you use them, make sure you remove your spiders before hand else you'll cook your pads until they wear down.
Regardless, Pagid is about $100 more for a set. I've run both PFC 97s and Yellow 29s (all 4) and Yellow / Black combinations. Both are very comparable and are about the same in how they treat the rotors. Pagids are more finicky on bed-in and are very thick - so if you use them, make sure you remove your spiders before hand else you'll cook your pads until they wear down.
07-27-2010, 08:33 PM
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UPDATE
I just "found" this old thread.......
I have used both Pagid Yellow/Black and PFC 97 pads for numerous DEs since the last post.
I have changed to Endless RF650 brake fluid.
I can happily report that I have had zero issues since the above modifications.......knock on wood..........
Going to Mid-Ohio next month!
I just "found" this old thread.......
I have used both Pagid Yellow/Black and PFC 97 pads for numerous DEs since the last post.
I have changed to Endless RF650 brake fluid.
I can happily report that I have had zero issues since the above modifications.......knock on wood..........
Going to Mid-Ohio next month!
07-29-2010, 07:43 AM
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It's not April 1st so I can't tell if you are kidding or not. PFC 97s are known as one of the best race pads out there. When I brought my car in to Farnbacher Loles a few years ago they only used PFC 97S on the 997 product and recommended it over the Yellow. The Oranges are terrible and anyone I know that's tried it (including me) threw them away after 1 track event. Granted, this may be weight dependent, but the Oranges melted and glazed up my rotors quickly.
I've gone through I don't know how many sets of pads and rotors. Right now I'm putting on a fresh set of everything and am trying once again the Yellow 29s. Last set was PFC 97s. They are absolutely comparable and the nice thing about the PFCs is they cost considerably less.
The most common comparison I know of regarding any brake pad is PFC 97 vs. Pagid Yellow - racers, DE guys, etc.
I've gone through I don't know how many sets of pads and rotors. Right now I'm putting on a fresh set of everything and am trying once again the Yellow 29s. Last set was PFC 97s. They are absolutely comparable and the nice thing about the PFCs is they cost considerably less.
The most common comparison I know of regarding any brake pad is PFC 97 vs. Pagid Yellow - racers, DE guys, etc.
07-29-2010, 07:59 PM
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Well, I think a lot of racers, along with DE enthusiasts, would disagree. Farnbacher Loles sure used a lot of PFC 97s on their 997 cars, which is why they highly suggested them for mine.
97 Compound
This compound was designed as an all-purpose pad where excellent controllability was a priority over ultimate stopping power. Due to its excellent modulation characteristics, this pad has proved very popular with race schools, rallying, and as a rear pad for applications such as touring cars. 97 has the lowest wear of all compounds, typically providing two to three times more life expectancy than competitors. This compound can also dramatically extend disc life.
97 is a medium torque race compound and as a result can provide reduced brake temperatures in situations where poor cooling can result in premature disc failure. 97 has the flattest torque curve of all the Performance Friction compounds. Effective from 167°F and reach 2000°F (75°C, reach 1100°C), 97 uses Performance Friction’s unique lubrication package that maintains a minimal transfer layer on the disc to help prevent brake judder and provide excellent release properties, therefore reducing overall drag in the brake system. 97 is extremely easy on the discs with very low wear.
97 is now being used in Bondurant, Derek Daley, Dale Jarrett Driving Adventure, Panoz, Mid Ohio, and Jim Russell racing schools because of it's long wear vs. performance vs. control and modulation.
RS 19 Yellow
Best compound for endurance racing on the basis of the RS14. A slight reduction of the friction value improves the modulation (controllability). Nevertheless, the friction value is enough for cars without power-assisted brake system and ensures comfortable low effort on the brake pedal. Constant temperatures up to 600°C (1,100°F) are possible. The combination of friction value, fading stability and low wear rates on pads and discs (rotors) realized with this material is unmatched up to now. Due to its excellent release characteristics and controllability PAGID endurance materials are also often used for sprint races. A multiple winner of Daytona 24h, Le Mans 24h, Sebring 12h, Spa 24 h, Nürburgring 24h, often with no pad change and usually no disc (rotor) change. Application: All endurance racing cars from Group N (Speed-WC, Grand Am Cup), Group A up to GT and Sport-Prototypes (Grand Am DP).
97 Compound
This compound was designed as an all-purpose pad where excellent controllability was a priority over ultimate stopping power. Due to its excellent modulation characteristics, this pad has proved very popular with race schools, rallying, and as a rear pad for applications such as touring cars. 97 has the lowest wear of all compounds, typically providing two to three times more life expectancy than competitors. This compound can also dramatically extend disc life.
97 is a medium torque race compound and as a result can provide reduced brake temperatures in situations where poor cooling can result in premature disc failure. 97 has the flattest torque curve of all the Performance Friction compounds. Effective from 167°F and reach 2000°F (75°C, reach 1100°C), 97 uses Performance Friction’s unique lubrication package that maintains a minimal transfer layer on the disc to help prevent brake judder and provide excellent release properties, therefore reducing overall drag in the brake system. 97 is extremely easy on the discs with very low wear.
97 is now being used in Bondurant, Derek Daley, Dale Jarrett Driving Adventure, Panoz, Mid Ohio, and Jim Russell racing schools because of it's long wear vs. performance vs. control and modulation.
RS 19 Yellow
Best compound for endurance racing on the basis of the RS14. A slight reduction of the friction value improves the modulation (controllability). Nevertheless, the friction value is enough for cars without power-assisted brake system and ensures comfortable low effort on the brake pedal. Constant temperatures up to 600°C (1,100°F) are possible. The combination of friction value, fading stability and low wear rates on pads and discs (rotors) realized with this material is unmatched up to now. Due to its excellent release characteristics and controllability PAGID endurance materials are also often used for sprint races. A multiple winner of Daytona 24h, Le Mans 24h, Sebring 12h, Spa 24 h, Nürburgring 24h, often with no pad change and usually no disc (rotor) change. Application: All endurance racing cars from Group N (Speed-WC, Grand Am Cup), Group A up to GT and Sport-Prototypes (Grand Am DP).
07-29-2010, 10:53 PM
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Craig are you stocking PF01 for 2005-2010 Carrera S (997s)?
07-29-2010, 11:56 PM
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We are fully stocked with the PF 01 for Porsche and other applications at OG Racing. I put them on my F class Carrera and love them! Very easy to modulate, great stopping power, and so far they seem to be very easy on my rotors. On another note, we have been informed by Performance Friction that the PF97 are being discontinued, but will be available as a special order. We have these currently in stock as well.
We are fully stocked with the PF 01 for Porsche and other applications at OG Racing. I put them on my F class Carrera and love them! Very easy to modulate, great stopping power, and so far they seem to be very easy on my rotors. On another note, we have been informed by Performance Friction that the PF97 are being discontinued, but will be available as a special order. We have these currently in stock as well.
07-30-2010, 12:44 AM
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We are fully stocked with the PF 01 for Porsche and other applications at OG Racing. I put them on my F class Carrera and love them! Very easy to modulate, great stopping power, and so far they seem to be very easy on my rotors. On another note, we have been informed by Performance Friction that the PF97 are being discontinued, but will be available as a special order. We have these currently in stock as well.
We are fully stocked with the PF 01 for Porsche and other applications at OG Racing. I put them on my F class Carrera and love them! Very easy to modulate, great stopping power, and so far they seem to be very easy on my rotors. On another note, we have been informed by Performance Friction that the PF97 are being discontinued, but will be available as a special order. We have these currently in stock as well.
I want to get a set of thos Titanium shims that go between the pad and caliper and see if they help. Anyone tried these???? My next pads will be PF01's because I want to check them out.
07-30-2010, 06:53 AM
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Nope, not even close, and Orange shouldn't even be in any comparison with any of the PFC racing compounds.
07-31-2010, 02:35 AM
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Glad we got that settled... 
FWIW, at the bottom of the link below is a cross reference as determined by EBC brakes.
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/...ads_4000.shtml
FWIW, at the bottom of the link below is a cross reference as determined by EBC brakes.
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/...ads_4000.shtml
07-31-2010, 05:46 AM
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We are fully stocked with the PF 01 for Porsche and other applications at OG Racing. I put them on my F class Carrera and love them! Very easy to modulate, great stopping power, and so far they seem to be very easy on my rotors. On another note, we have been informed by Performance Friction that the PF97 are being discontinued, but will be available as a special order. We have these currently in stock as well.
We are fully stocked with the PF 01 for Porsche and other applications at OG Racing. I put them on my F class Carrera and love them! Very easy to modulate, great stopping power, and so far they seem to be very easy on my rotors. On another note, we have been informed by Performance Friction that the PF97 are being discontinued, but will be available as a special order. We have these currently in stock as well.
i've ordered PFC 01's from OG in the past, great pricing and quick shipping, always in stock, good stuff.
obviously i love the PFC pads.